ATL: SANDY - Remnants - Discussion

nashrobertsx · #3121 Postby **nashrobertsx** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:13 pm

tolakram wrote:Battery water levels

I think someone needs to revise that Graph to indicate heights higher than 10 feet ;-)

#3122 Postby **brunota2003** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:13 pm

TWC keeps showing a graphic showing water levels leveling off, mostly, at the Battery for now...yet everything you guys post shows it steadily rising?

#3123 Postby **r22weiss** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:13 pm

[I'd be willing to bet that this hasn't been "tropical" for a few days now. Of course, a 940mb extratropical gale center is still something to be reckoned with, but is it truly a hurricane in the strict warm-core sense? It certainly doesn't look like one in the satellite pictures, and hasn't for a few days.[/quote]

The cyclone had tropical characteristics this morning with a nice CDO (central dense overcast) over the core until early to mid afternoon when the transition began in earnest.

x-y-no · #3124 Postby **x-y-no** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:15 pm

brunota2003 wrote:TWC keeps showing a graphic showing water levels leveling off, mostly, at the Battery for now...yet everything you guys post shows it steadily rising?

The surge (the green line above) has leveled off somewhat. But of course the tide is still rising.

#3125 Postby **Terry** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:15 pm

There is definitely a difference for claim from designated tropical cyclones and flood insurance, etc. But I just cannot believe that the NHC would change their reporting for that reason.

nashrobertsx wrote:In the height of the storm, the NHC just can't wait to wash their hands of this thing.. very strange... maybe something to do with insurance claims and how they classify these things.... just seems strange to me... very strange..

WE ANTICIPATES THAT THE LAST NHC ADVISORY ON SANDY WILL BE ISSUED AT
11 PM EDT TONIGHT. SINCE ALL COASTAL TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS HAVE
BEEN DISCONTINUED...THERE WILL BE NO INTERMEDIATE PUBLIC ADVISORIES
ISSUED BETWEEN NOW AND THE 11 PM NHC ADVISORY. TO PROVIDE A
CONTINUOUS FLOW OF INFORMATION...NHC WILL ISSUE TROPICAL CYCLONE
UPDATES AT 7 PM AND 9 PM EDT...AND AT THE TIME OF LANDFALL. THESE
UPDATES ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT63...AND AWIPS HEADER
TCUAT3...AND WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE ON THE NHC WEBSITE. BEGINNING
AT 5 AM EDT TUESDAY...PUBLIC ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE
HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER...HPC...UNDER THE SAME WMO
AND AWIPS HEADERS AS THE NHC PUBLIC ADVISORIES...WHICH WILL ALSO BE
AVAILABLE VIA THE NHC WEBSITE.

#3126 Postby **Evil Jeremy** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:16 pm

nashrobertsx wrote:In the height of the storm, the NHC just can't wait to wash their hands of this thing.. very strange... maybe something to do with insurance claims and how they classify these things.... just seems strange to me... very strange..

It's not that strange. Once the storm is no longer tropical, it's no longer in the NHC's jurisdiction.

windnrain · #3127 Postby **windnrain** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:17 pm

It is definitely still rising at battery according to this link:

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrogra ... gage=batn6

#3128 Postby **brunota2003** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:17 pm

x-y-no wrote:
brunota2003 wrote:TWC keeps showing a graphic showing water levels leveling off, mostly, at the Battery for now...yet everything you guys post shows it steadily rising?

The surge (the green line above) has leveled off somewhat. But of course the tide is still rising.

Ah gotcha.

#3129 Postby **ncweatherwizard** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:19 pm

Terry wrote:There is definitely a difference for claim from designated tropical cyclones and flood insurance, etc. But I just cannot believe that the NHC would change their reporting for that reason.

nashrobertsx wrote:In the height of the storm, the NHC just can't wait to wash their hands of this thing.. very strange... maybe something to do with insurance claims and how they classify these things.... just seems strange to me... very strange..

WE ANTICIPATES THAT THE LAST NHC ADVISORY ON SANDY WILL BE ISSUED AT
11 PM EDT TONIGHT. SINCE ALL COASTAL TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS HAVE
BEEN DISCONTINUED...THERE WILL BE NO INTERMEDIATE PUBLIC ADVISORIES
ISSUED BETWEEN NOW AND THE 11 PM NHC ADVISORY. TO PROVIDE A
CONTINUOUS FLOW OF INFORMATION...NHC WILL ISSUE TROPICAL CYCLONE
UPDATES AT 7 PM AND 9 PM EDT...AND AT THE TIME OF LANDFALL. THESE
UPDATES ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT63...AND AWIPS HEADER
TCUAT3...AND WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE ON THE NHC WEBSITE. BEGINNING
AT 5 AM EDT TUESDAY...PUBLIC ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE
HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER...HPC...UNDER THE SAME WMO
AND AWIPS HEADERS AS THE NHC PUBLIC ADVISORIES...WHICH WILL ALSO BE
AVAILABLE VIA THE NHC WEBSITE.

NHC is still covering this simply to maintain continuity in advisories before landfall. Beforehand, we had thought that the storm would move a bit more slowly, but its seems silly to hand this over to HPC just a few hours before landfall--and now only a couple of hours beforehand. They bring up this issue with each advisory just to ensure that there will not be any confusion about where to get information when the transition does occur.

#3130 Postby **tolakram** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:19 pm

nashrobertsx wrote:In the height of the storm, the NHC just can't wait to wash their hands of this thing.. very strange... maybe something to do with insurance claims and how they classify these things.... just seems strange to me... very strange..

It's no longer a tropical storm so not strange at all. What's unusual is that it stayed tropical as long as it did this time of year. To suggest ulterior motives is, frankly, insulting.

#3131 Postby **Terry** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:21 pm

Reporter saying that South St. Seaport/Pier 19 (I think) has water over topping sea wall. That's near Wall St., right? http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/livenow?id=8857235

#3132 Postby **tolakram** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:22 pm

10 feet now at The Battery

source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/geo.sh ... on=8518750

karenfromheaven · #3133 Postby **karenfromheaven** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:23 pm

brunota2003 wrote:TWC keeps showing a graphic showing water levels leveling off, mostly, at the Battery for now...yet everything you guys post shows it steadily rising?

Don't know about TWC, but here is data from backup sensors at the Battery:

Note, pressure is still dropping as well.

#3134 Postby **WilmingtonSandbar** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:23 pm

Terry wrote:Reporter saying that South St. Seaport/Pier 19 (I think) has water over topping sea wall. That's near Wall St., right? http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/livenow?id=8857235

Yeah, that was Wall Street that the high voltage buildings are on.

HurrMark · #3135 Postby **HurrMark** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:26 pm

tolakram wrote:10 feet now at The Battery

source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/geo.sh ... on=8518750

As long as the green line stays above 6, there will be flooding in the subways.

Weather Watcher · #3136 Postby **Weather Watcher** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:26 pm

Weather Bug from Atlantic City:

#3137 Postby **ozonepete** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:26 pm

tolakram wrote:Battery water levels

This is awful...

#3138 Postby **tolakram** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:27 pm

Latest IR

Live IR loop: http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ge ... =spect.pal

SunnyThoughts · #3139 Postby **SunnyThoughts** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:27 pm

karenfromheaven wrote:
brunota2003 wrote:TWC keeps showing a graphic showing water levels leveling off, mostly, at the Battery for now...yet everything you guys post shows it steadily rising?

Don't know about TWC, but here is data from backup sensors at the Battery:

Note, pressure is still dropping as well.

Karen, if you don't mind...could you update that graph like every half hour or so for us to see? the graph I have only goes to 10, yours goes to 12. Very informative and interesting.

#3140 Postby **Blown Away** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:28 pm

Curious, any reported hurricane winds onshore so far??

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