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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#341 Postby NDG » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:39 pm

From what I have read, the phase of the IOD has very little known effects on overall tropical activity in Atlantic. If it does it is a very small percentage, IMO, there are so many other variables that make part of the equation.
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#342 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:40 pm

Here is a video made by Levi Cowan where he makes an analysis of the factors that will lead to the season that is expected by the experts. The first part he talks about TD 2 and then the majority of it is about the factors.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/201 ... he-season/
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#343 Postby baytownwx » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:41 pm

Levi Cowan disagrees with JB:


Levi Cowan (@TropicalTidbits)
6/17/13 5:58 PM
@BigJoeBastardi I would bet effect of IOD is opposite. Positive phase shown to be unfavorable. goo.gl/55AwD pic.twitter.com/gQO7QXWpo5
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#344 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:45 pm

Curious question for anyone with info on it, which phases of the MJO tends to produce the most Atlantic hurricanes?
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#345 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:04 pm

:uarrow: So I found some info to my own question :lol:. Klotzbach et al 2010, his paper shows correlation that on average not only in hurricanes but major hurricanes and their durations is phases 1 and 2 (east Africa and Western Indian Ocean), strong numbers when in phase 2 within the IO.

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http://typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu/Incl ... ch2010.pdf

I've always assumed it was the western Hemisphere phases, not so much based on this research
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#346 Postby NDG » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:23 pm

:uarrow: Interesting that the lowest tropical activity in the Atlantic is when it is on phase 7
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#347 Postby falcon » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:23 am

baytownwx wrote:Levi Cowan disagrees with JB:


Levi Cowan (@TropicalTidbits)
6/17/13 5:58 PM
@BigJoeBastardi I would bet effect of IOD is opposite. Positive phase shown to be unfavorable. goo.gl/55AwD pic.twitter.com/gQO7QXWpo5


Levi Cowan seems to be correct.
Positive IOD = increased vertical shear and decreased vertical instability

From CSU´s "SUMMARY OF 2011 ATLANTIC TROPICAL CYCLONE ACTIVITY:

Anomalously cool sub-tropical Atlantic SSTs and a positive Indian
Ocean Dipole (IOD)
event were likely responsible for the stronger vertical shear and
drier mid-levels that were experienced this year compared with 2010. This stronger-thannormal vertical shear and drier-than-normal middle levels in the atmosphere were
responsible for the unexpectedly low levels of more intense TC activity.

http://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/for ... ov2011.pdf
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#348 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:17 am

Another evidence contrary from what JB is saying about the Indian Dipole is this PDF paper by NHC about a summary of the 2011. Go to pages 9-11.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/e ... y_2011.pdf
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#349 Postby ninel conde » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:59 am

joe bastardi is saying the IOD has flipped to negative?
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#350 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:47 am

ninel conde wrote:joe bastardi is saying the IOD has flipped to negative?


That is what he is saying I believe. But as NDG said there is little research on how much the IOD effects the Atlantic and it's possible very little. However convection in the IO does have a noteable influence as posted via MJO paper, not sure how the IOD effects it though.
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#351 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:27 pm

Here is this week's update by the Global Hazard folks of CPC. It looks like no TC for the next 2 weeks in North Atlantic.

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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#352 Postby Hurricaneman » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:39 pm

cycloneye wrote:Here is this week's update by the Global Hazard folks of CPC. It looks like no TC for the next 2 weeks in North Atlantic.

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http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/p ... /ghazards/


but after that all bets are off
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#353 Postby RainbowAppleJackDash » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:09 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Here is this week's update by the Global Hazard folks of CPC. It looks like no TC for the next 2 weeks in North Atlantic.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/54d1n4.jpg

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/p ... /ghazards/


but after that all bets are off


YAAAAAWN. I have been waiting SOOO long for Barrry to come and it's not even happening; TD 2 won't become Barry. YAAAAAWN.
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#354 Postby Hurricaneman » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:17 pm

RainbowAppleJackDash wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Here is this week's update by the Global Hazard folks of CPC. It looks like no TC for the next 2 weeks in North Atlantic.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/54d1n4.jpg

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/p ... /ghazards/


but after that all bets are off


YAAAAAWN. I have been waiting SOOO long for Barrry to come and it's not even happening; TD 2 won't become Barry. YAAAAAWN.


one storm in June is above average, some years even hyperactive ones don't get started until August so if something happens after week 2 it should be considered a bonus
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#355 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:55 pm

We've had at least one storm in June for the past three years now. With two of the many June TC's becoming hurricanes which is very rare to have early in the season. In 2010 there was Hurricane Alex which was right below major hurricane status (110mph). 2011 had TS Arlene. 2012 had Cat.1 Hurricane Chris which also formed in the far North Atlantic which made it even more rare followed by TS Debby. This year we have already seen TS Andrea and TD #2. (Barry??) A typical June should have one named storm every two years.
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#356 Postby ninel conde » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:51 pm

the old joe bastardi is back. talking about a hyper active july.

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 1h

@RyanMaue ECMWFMJO says we may have hyper July as it rolls back toward 2, then 3, the hyper development phases
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#357 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:17 pm

The Atlantic should start getting quite busy after July 4th. Wouldn't surprise me to see 2 tropical cyclones with a pulse of this magnitude.
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Re: 2013 Steering Pattern / Early indicators

#358 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:42 pm

I'm hoping its nothing like July of 2005, but a hurricane or 2 in July that makes landfall wouldn't surprise me in the least with the 500mb ridge and the MJO pulse but the thing that could save anyone with a landfall is shear so lets hope that stays put
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#359 Postby HurricaneRyan » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:13 pm

Two named storms already. Two years in a row we've had two named storms in June. and this season is reminding me of 2005.
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#360 Postby gatorcane » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:13 pm

One thing I am noticing here in South Florida that I haven't seen in June in many years is deep easterly flow with African Dust and dry hazy skies that you would see start more in the mid July timeframe.

This could be an early indicator that the steering flow might be in place this year come the peak months of Aug-September to bring Cape Verde systems from the far East Atlantic towards Florida and the SE US like the steering flow we saw in 2004.

In fact, looking at the extended forecast from NWS Miami the pattern continues:

LONG TERM (SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY)...
A DEEP EASTERLY FLOW WILL BE ESTABLISHED ALL OF NEXT WEEK WITH
FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOWING PWAT AT AROUND 1.6-1.7 INCHES SO
SLIGHTLY BELOW THE LATE JUNE AVERAGE WHICH IS ABOUT 1.75 INCHES.
STEERING FLOW WILL BE SUCH THAT THE BEST CHANCES FOR RAINFALL WILL
BE ALONG THE ATLANTIC COAST DURING THE LATE NIGHT AND EARLY
MORNING SHIFTING TO THE INTERIOR AND GULF COAST DURING THE
AFTERNOON AND EVENINGS

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php ... glossary=1

Of course the long wave pattern does change and could feature more troughiness along the Eastern CONUS come Aug-September. Just something I am noticing that might be an early indicator.
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