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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#601 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:42 am

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What does 987mb on a global model like GFS translate to in actual pressure? I thought I read somewhere (execuse my ignorance :D ) that the global models don't handle sea level pressure all that well for tropical systems?


987 in this pattern would be a solid hurricane, maybe pushing Cat 2.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#602 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:43 am

Riptide wrote:Classic spiral banding, reminds me of Hurricane Hugo but obviously not the same intensity.


And considerably smaller. Other than being drastically different in intensity and size, they're pretty similar. ;-)
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#603 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:46 am

I think this will become a hurricane before the islands, but after that is quite questionable as shear could be present

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#604 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:46 am

Wouldn't the isobars in that 10-day pattern just keep it going west towards Florida?
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#605 Postby ronjon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:47 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
jhpigott wrote:


What does 987mb on a global model like GFS translate to in actual pressure? I thought I read somewhere (execuse my ignorance :D ) that the global models don't handle sea level pressure all that well for tropical systems?


987 in this pattern would be a solid hurricane, maybe pushing Cat 2.


Well I'm sure this run of the GFS got NHC 's attention! Might have to update those intensity forecasts if this continues.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#606 Postby tolakram » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:47 am

Some saved images of the 12Z GFS showing a recurving system. A nail biter coming up for the next few days.

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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#607 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:51 am

That's a very close call for the East Coast on the 12z GFS run. Expect the windshield wiping to begin!
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#608 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:51 am

Intensifying right up to Nova Scotia, wow!
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#609 Postby tolakram » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:52 am

I added an earlier image. The islands need to be watching very closely, I'm hoping it will go north but certainly not a sure bet yet.
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#610 Postby Riptide » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:53 am

CrazyC83 wrote:Intensifying right up to Nova Scotia, wow!

August NE Hurricanes usually mean business.
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#611 Postby northjaxpro » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:53 am

Yeah, Dorian is going to keep us up late a many of nights coming up that's for sure. The weakness is strong enough on those latest 12Z runs to enable Dorian to curve and just miss the U.S. East Coast. But, this is still a long way out and I am certain there will be several other changes with the models with time. Definitely must pay close attenion the next 7-10 days with my obvious understatement!
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#612 Postby ronjon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:53 am

Lol, I can see the east coast media Jumping on board the hype train already with that run.
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#613 Postby AtlanticWind » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:56 am

Hurricaneman wrote:I think this will become a hurricane before the islands, but after that is quite questionable as shear could be present

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According to the GFS it would become a hurricane after the islands , It would encounter shear as it neared the islands
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#614 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:56 am

northjaxpro wrote:Yeah, Dorian is going to keep us up late a many of nights coming up that's for sure. The weakness is strong enough on those latest 12Z runs to enable Dorian to curve and just miss the U.S. East Coast. But, this is still a long way out and I am certain there will be several other changes with the models with time. Definitely must pay close attenion the next 7-10 days with my obvious understaement!


If that weakness fails to develop, it keeps going west?
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#615 Postby tolakram » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:57 am

Canadian running, keeping it weaker.

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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#616 Postby Steve H. » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:58 am

I wouldn't bet on that run. Think it will end up further west over time. That's generally the way it works. Still early in the game.



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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Models

#617 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Steve H. wrote:I wouldn't bet on that run. Think it will end up further west over time. That's generally the way it works. Still early in the game.



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I agree. I'm personally not buying the recurve at all. Too far south, too weak and ridge too strong.
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#618 Postby northjaxpro » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:01 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
northjaxpro wrote:Yeah, Dorian is going to keep us up late a many of nights coming up that's for sure. The weakness is strong enough on those latest 12Z runs to enable Dorian to curve and just miss the U.S. East Coast. But, this is still a long way out and I am certain there will be several other changes with the models with time. Definitely must pay close attenion the next 7-10 days with my obvious understaement!


If that weakness fails to develop, it keeps going west?


If the ridge builds back in stronger, then Dorian will head more west, and possibly be a threat to the Bahamas, Florida, and maybe the EGOM. It is going to be a close call as there will be a trough developing cross the Eastern CONUS going into this weekend. However, if the trough lifts out early next week and the ridge builds back in, then all of us really will have to really pay attention. It is all about timing as always with forecasting the track of tropical cyclones.

Just have to watch closely. More changes I am certain are going to come in the coming days from the models.
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#619 Postby Weatherboy1 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:08 pm

It's so far out that I'm sure the models will be doing a lot of "windshield wiping" runs, first showing recurve, then path to the WNW, then back again, and so on. We really are likely 7-8 days from any U.S. impact, and 4-5 days out from the islands, so just keep in mind that longer-term model runs are more "for entertainment only" in terms of knowing whether your specific location will be impacted. Certainly, though, climatology would tend to suggest that a system this far north that far east is more of a candidate for recurvature than anything else.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#620 Postby Javlin » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:21 pm

While they maybe to some degree for entertainment one thing that seems to permiate in the models is a serious high pressure to the N out to 180 hrs :wink:
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