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#401 Postby otowntiger » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:49 pm

Gustywind wrote:Dr. Jeff Masters discussion.

Tropical wave midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles downgraded

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... rynum=2503


A tropical wave that came off the coast of Africa on Sunday is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. This disturbance is moving westward at 10 - 15 mph, has a modest amount of spin, but has lost nearly all of the limited heavy thunderstorm activity it had. In their 8 am EDT Wednesday Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC downgraded the 5-day odds of formation of this disturbance from 30% to 20%. Wind shear is a moderate 10 knots over the system, but there is an area of dry air and dust from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to the north that is interfering with development. For the next few days, though, the wave will experience upward-moving air from a Convectively-Coupled Kelvin Wave (CCKW) that is moving eastwards across the Atlantic at 25 - 35 mph. This interaction may contribute to development. With the exception of the NAVGEM model, there is little support from the models for developing the disturbance during the next five days. The wave could spread heavy rains and gusty winds to the Lesser Antilles Islands as early as Sunday.

A tropical wave expected to emerge from the coast of Africa on Friday and track over the Cape Verde Islands is developed by the GFS and European models. This wave is expected to take a northwesterly track, and would likely not be able to make the long trek across the Atlantic to threaten North America or the Caribbean Islands.

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Wow, a whole lotta nothing to worry about in that update! More and more it seems that this season will be very sub par. I honestly can't remember a less active August and less promising early september. I know there probably have been some but not in this current busy cycle (since '95 anyway).
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#402 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:51 pm

Alyono wrote:Given the steering pattern, wouldn't anything near 14N be more likely to head north of the islands?


current steering though not static has well pronounced low to mid level ridge west motion unless it were to magically deepen above 500mb ...
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#403 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:54 pm

Alyono wrote:Given the steering pattern, wouldn't anything near 14N be more likely to head north of the islands?


I might be being a little south on the eventual track, but the northern islands like St Croix, St Martin and the like may have to deal with this if it does indeed develop. I was basing it off the GFS which I should have said instead of what I did say. I can see if the center is 5N of what is modeled it would be closer to 19N and as said the Northern islands will have to watch this with interest but after that I do expect this to go into the southern Bahamas but as what is yet to be determined and I do believe this will recurve away from the US based on how the trough\ridge positions have been replacing each other every few days

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#404 Postby Hammy » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:54 pm

otowntiger wrote:Wow, a whole lotta nothing to worry about in that update! More and more it seems that this season will be very sub par. I honestly can't remember a less active August and less promising early september. I know there probably have been some but not in this current busy cycle (since '95 anyway).


technically 1997 was less active as not even a single depression formed.
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#405 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:51 pm

New video by Levi Cowan about this wave.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/201 ... et-active/

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#406 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:58 pm

cycloneye wrote:New video by Levi Cowan about this wave.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/201 ... et-active/

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he's still saying to keep an eye on it and has pretty similar thinking to what I said earlier in the thread that this really shouldn't be discounted until either theres no convection by 50W or the circulation completely dies

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#407 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:15 pm

Convection popping to the SE and around the center. I think I see some orange on AVN. What will DMAX do?
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#408 Postby colbroe » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:35 pm

Yes I agree convection is on the increase again ,lets see what happens next
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic (Pouch 25L) 0% / 20%

#409 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:46 pm

SHOWER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 1350
MILES EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES REMAINS LIMITED. SLOW DEVELOPMENT
OF THIS DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE LATE THIS WEEK OR EARLY THIS
WEEKEND WHILE THE WAVE MOVES WESTWARD AT ABOUT 15 MPH AND
APPROACHES THE LESSER ANTILLES. AFTER THAT TIME...UPPER-LEVEL WINDS
COULD INHIBIT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...
NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS...AND A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
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#410 Postby Alyono » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:51 pm

and shear is expected to increase in the coming days...

convection is also not really increasing. Extremely disorganized.

What we should do is stop focusing on these LONG RANGE GFS forecasts. They have no skill. Wait until the waves are about to emerge off of the coast, be sure that the MAJORITY of models develops the SAME feature within the next 3-5 days... then we can start getting concerned about tropical development. Until those conditions are met... enjoy the start of football season this Saturday!
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Re: Tropical Wave in East Atlantic (Pouch 25L) 0% / 20%

#411 Postby Alyono » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:52 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:
cycloneye wrote:New video by Levi Cowan about this wave.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/201 ... et-active/

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he's still saying to keep an eye on it and has pretty similar thinking to what I said earlier in the thread that this really shouldn't be discounted until either theres no convection by 50W or the circulation completely dies

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doesn't Cohen say EVERYTHING will develop, however?
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#412 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:04 pm

Alyono wrote:and shear is expected to increase in the coming days...

convection is also not really increasing. Extremely disorganized.

What we should do is stop focusing on these LONG RANGE GFS forecasts. They have no skill. Wait until the waves are about to emerge off of the coast, be sure that the MAJORITY of models develops the SAME feature within the next 3-5 days... then we can start getting concerned about tropical development. Until those conditions are met... enjoy the start of football season this Saturday!

With all due respect convection is on the increase and it has a fair structure. Agree with your latter statement however :D
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#413 Postby Alyono » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:06 pm

that is not a meaningful convection increase. Also, it is on the periphery
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#414 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:11 pm

Alyono wrote:that is not a meaningful convection increase. Also, it is on the periphery

You have DMIN knocking on its door. Not likely to develop but Dorian came back from the dead 3x until it found favorable conditions west and became a TD.
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#415 Postby beoumont » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:44 pm

Since reality sucks right now, I can dream of a Gabrielle, can't I?
Below is the biggest real Atlantic hurricane (Sandy doesn't count) I have ever seen on satellite: Gabrielle, 1989:

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#416 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:49 pm

*le sigh*

those were the days....... :(
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#417 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:55 pm

The convection is close to where I percieve the center to be.
The
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#418 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:58 pm

CalmBeforeStorm wrote:The convection is close to where I percieve the center to be.

Agreed. Think we'll have a better storm in the morning :wink:
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic (Pouch 25L) 0% / 20%

#419 Postby Alyono » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:03 pm

beoumont wrote:Since reality sucks right now, I can dream of a Gabrielle, can't I?
Below is the biggest real Atlantic hurricane (Sandy doesn't count) I have ever seen on satellite: Gabrielle, 1989:

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6666/i8jf.jpg


Wilma east of Florida was also quite large and still fully tropical. So thankful that stayed to the NE and didn't come crashing into New England or Canada
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#420 Postby Gustywind » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:06 pm

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 PM EDT WED AUG 28 2013


TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 11N40W TO 20N40W MOVING W AT 10-15
KT. BROAD LOW-LEVEL CYCLONIC TURNING IS EVIDENT IN SATELLITE
IMAGERY ABOUT THE WAVE AXIS WITH A 700 MB RELATIVE VORTICITY
MAXIMUM CENTERED IN THE VICINITY OF 14N40W. TOTAL PRECIPITABLE
WATER IMAGERY ALSO SHOWS MAXIMUM VALUES SURROUNDING THE AXIS
FROM 13N-19N BETWEEN 34W-43W. WITH THE PRESENCE OF THE SAHARAN
AIR LAYER REMAINING ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN
ATLC...NO SIGNIFICANT DEEP CONVECTION IS OCCURRING WITH THE
WAVE AT THIS TIME.
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