Wave emerging Africa: (Is Invest 91L)

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
Hyperstorm
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1500
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:48 am
Location: Ocala, FL

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#41 Postby Hyperstorm » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:28 pm

cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


I have a very strong suspicion that this is a bad model run. The upper-level trough just west of Portugal that would supposedly "destroy" the wave can already be seen slowing its southward momentum.

I expect to see a resurgeance of the tropical system again in the next couple of runs...
0 likes   

tolakram
Admin
Admin
Posts: 20010
Age: 62
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:23 pm
Location: Florence, KY (name is Mark)

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#42 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:40 pm

12Z Euro still has it but not very strong and weakens it at the end of the run.
0 likes   
M a r k
- - - - -
Join us in chat: Storm2K Chatroom Invite. Android and IOS apps also available.

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. Posts are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K.org. For official information and forecasts, please refer to NHC and NWS products.

User avatar
Hammy
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5849
Age: 41
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#43 Postby Hammy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:40 pm

Hyperstorm wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


I have a very strong suspicion that this is a bad model run. The upper-level trough just west of Portugal that would supposedly "destroy" the wave can already be seen slowing its southward momentum.

I expect to see a resurgeance of the tropical system again in the next couple of runs...


Given the models history with accuracy this year (especially since the upgrade) it would not surprise me in the least to go the entire season without a hurricane east of 60, and I highly doubt there will be an exception here. The unfavorable conditions in the eastern Atlantic seem to be showing no signs of decreasing.
0 likes   
The above post is not official and should not be used as such. It is the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is not endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

User avatar
Hyperstorm
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1500
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:48 am
Location: Ocala, FL

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#44 Postby Hyperstorm » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:04 pm

Hammy wrote:
Hyperstorm wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


I have a very strong suspicion that this is a bad model run. The upper-level trough just west of Portugal that would supposedly "destroy" the wave can already be seen slowing its southward momentum.

I expect to see a resurgeance of the tropical system again in the next couple of runs...


Given the models history with accuracy this year (especially since the upgrade) it would not surprise me in the least to go the entire season without a hurricane east of 60, and I highly doubt there will be an exception here. The unfavorable conditions in the eastern Atlantic seem to be showing no signs of decreasing.


Remember that this is only one model run. If we go by accuracy, we'd have to go with all previous runs which showed development. The eastern Atlantic is the most favorable it's been in quite a while. It's no wonder the GFS has been seeing a monster develop out of this disturbance.
0 likes   

TheStormExpert

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#45 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:54 pm

Hyperstorm wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


I have a very strong suspicion that this is a bad model run. The upper-level trough just west of Portugal that would supposedly "destroy" the wave can already be seen slowing its southward momentum.

I expect to see a resurgeance of the tropical system again in the next couple of runs...

Conditions overall out in the MDR are as bad as they can get for the peak of the season. Even though this is not an El Niño season it is behaving very well like one. Most likely like a moderate-strong El Niño.
0 likes   

User avatar
Gustywind
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 12334
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Baie-Mahault, GUADELOUPE

#46 Postby Gustywind » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:40 pm

Tropical Update
Michael Lowry, Hurricane Specialist, The Weather Channel
Sep 5, 2013 5:00 pm ET

:rarrow: http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/


A tropical disturbance currently over Africa will move into the eastern Atlantic this weekend. Some development is possible as it moves westward next week.
0 likes   

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 34002
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#47 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:26 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
Hyperstorm wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


I have a very strong suspicion that this is a bad model run. The upper-level trough just west of Portugal that would supposedly "destroy" the wave can already be seen slowing its southward momentum.

I expect to see a resurgeance of the tropical system again in the next couple of runs...

Conditions overall out in the MDR are as bad as they can get for the peak of the season. Even though this is not an El Niño season it is behaving very well like one. Most likely like a moderate-strong El Niño.


I have never seen so much shear and (to a lesser extent) dry air in the MDR at this time of year. They aren't even letting waves reach areas farther west...

I think the first hurricane of 2013 will have non-tropical origins.
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145358
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 40%

#48 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:34 pm

A TROPICAL WAVE OVER AFRICA IS EXPECTED TO MOVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN
ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A COUPLE OF DAYS...AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE OVER THE WEEKEND AND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. THIS
SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...40
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
Hammy
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 5849
Age: 41
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 5:25 pm
Contact:

#49 Postby Hammy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:23 pm

I am still not sold on development yet, so many other times the GFS has shown strong hurricanes forming this year and nothing has come of them. I will say though, it would be extremely interesting to watch should the latest GFS track actually play out.
0 likes   
The above post is not official and should not be used as such. It is the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is not endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

User avatar
Gustywind
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 12334
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Baie-Mahault, GUADELOUPE

#50 Postby Gustywind » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:25 pm

Tropical Update
Michael Lowry, Hurricane Specialist, The Weather Channel
Sep 5, 2013 7:41 pm ET
:rarrow: http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/

A cluster of storms currently over Africa will push off the continent into the Atlantic this weekend at which point some development may occur.
0 likes   

CrazyC83
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 34002
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:57 pm
Location: Deep South, for the first time!

Re:

#51 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:28 pm

Gustywind wrote:Tropical Update
Michael Lowry, Hurricane Specialist, The Weather Channel
Sep 5, 2013 7:41 pm ET
:rarrow: http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/

A cluster of storms currently over Africa will push off the continent into the Atlantic this weekend at which point some development may occur.


Are there any signals that the shear may decrease? It has been there for quite some time, not pushing at all.
0 likes   

TheStormExpert

#52 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:11 pm

:uarrow: Just a month ago shear was not much of an issue what a difference a month makes, it should be the other way around! :lol:
0 likes   

User avatar
Gustywind
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 12334
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Baie-Mahault, GUADELOUPE

#53 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:16 am

Stays at 0%-40%.

2 AM Tropical Weather Outlook

A TROPICAL WAVE OVER AFRICA IS EXPECTED TO MOVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN
ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A COUPLE OF DAYS...AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE OVER THE WEEKEND AND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. THIS
SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...40
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145358
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 50%

#54 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:42 am

Up to 50% in five days.

A TROPICAL WAVE OVER WEST AFRICA IS EXPECTED TO MOVE OVER THE FAR
EASTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A DAY OR TWO...AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE LATE THIS WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. THIS
SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...50
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

tolakram
Admin
Admin
Posts: 20010
Age: 62
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:23 pm
Location: Florence, KY (name is Mark)

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 50%

#55 Postby tolakram » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:18 am

12Z GFS still has this, strengthening at 135 hours.

Image

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/

I think that Sept 11th record is going to be close. :)
0 likes   
M a r k
- - - - -
Join us in chat: Storm2K Chatroom Invite. Android and IOS apps also available.

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. Posts are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K.org. For official information and forecasts, please refer to NHC and NWS products.

Alyono
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 6961
Joined: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:52 pm
Location: Texas Coast

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#56 Postby Alyono » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:32 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
I have never seen so much shear and (to a lesser extent) dry air in the MDR at this time of year. They aren't even letting waves reach areas farther west...

I think the first hurricane of 2013 will have non-tropical origins.


you were not around in 1997 then. There was routinely over 80 KT of shear in the Caribbean that year
0 likes   

User avatar
Hyperstorm
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1500
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:48 am
Location: Ocala, FL

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 30%

#57 Postby Hyperstorm » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:36 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Once again GFS drops a hurricane from a CV wave. Is 2013.


Conditions overall out in the MDR are as bad as they can get for the peak of the season. Even though this is not an El Niño season it is behaving very well like one. Most likely like a moderate-strong El Niño.


I have never seen so much shear and (to a lesser extent) dry air in the MDR at this time of year. They aren't even letting waves reach areas farther west...

I think the first hurricane of 2013 will have non-tropical origins.


The conditions in the far eastern Atlantic near Cape Verde are much more favorable now than they were 1-2 weeks ago. The deep trough that was centered W of the Canary Islands for a long time has been displaced to a position that is more favorable for development near the CV islands, even if only temporary. That should allow the disturbance exiting the coast to develop.

Latest GFS at 12Z is back to hurricane development. The difference between this run and the ones from the previous days is that it now develops it strongly just west of the CV islands and not over them. It also shoots it straight north after it crosses them and not NW.

The question now, in my opinion, is not if this one develops...is how strong will it get?
0 likes   

User avatar
cycloneye
Admin
Admin
Posts: 145358
Age: 68
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 50%

#58 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:36 pm

A TROPICAL WAVE APPROACHING THE COAST OF WEST AFRICA IS EXPECTED TO
MOVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A DAY OR TWO...AND
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS LIKELY EARLY NEXT WEEK. THIS
SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...BUT A HIGH CHANCE...60
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.
0 likes   
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here

User avatar
Gustywind
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 12334
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Baie-Mahault, GUADELOUPE

#59 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:25 pm

2 PM Tropical Weather Discussion. Interresting discussion related to this twave...


AN ATLANTIC OCEAN TROPICAL WAVE WAS ANALYZED ALONG 18W/19W TO
THE SOUTH OF 20N. FURTHER ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION GIVES US THE
IDEA THAT THE WAVE REALLY STILL IS MORE INLAND IN AFRICA...AND
NOT IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN YET. IT MAY TAKE ANOTHER DAY OR TWO
FOR THE WAVE TO EMERGE FROM AFRICA.
CONVECTIVE PRECIPITATION...
NUMEROUS STRONG FROM 13N TO 15N BETWEEN 17W AND 18W...AND FROM
9N TO 10N BETWEEN 18W AND 20W.
0 likes   

User avatar
Blinhart
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2081
Age: 48
Joined: Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:13 pm
Location: Crowley, La.

Re: Wave inside Africa: 0% - 60%

#60 Postby Blinhart » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:00 pm

pic?????
0 likes   
Personal Forecast Disclaimer:
The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests