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Re: ENSO Updates

#3881 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:45 pm

It's starting. Plus the Wpac storm which will enhance the westerlies. Image
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3882 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:03 pm

^ another vantage point. It's getting that look, equatorial Pacific heat.

upwell continues as waters below 3 and 1+2 are now feeling the push of the warm pool. Next MJO wave will do it, blow off the cap.

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Nothing is going to stop it now.
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#3883 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:45 pm

Looks like this will surpass 1997. The sea surface temperatures on the 1st week of April are higher. The subsurface pool too is stronger this year.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3884 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:44 pm

Ntxw, when do you expect the next MJO wave to move through the ENSO regions?
The models show the MJO moving back into the inner circle in about a week. Do you not agree with them?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3885 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:26 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw, when do you expect the next MJO wave to move through the ENSO regions?
The models show the MJO moving back into the inner circle in about a week. Do you not agree with them?


Don't worry about the chart too much. It gives a general idea, the new strong MJO is moving quickly from the IO. Laws of it says it must progress east, it does not show you the convectively-coupled Kelvin waves. This is the important thing regarding the MJO and ENSO. Each Kelvin wave pushes more warmth eastward. The eastern region may see some strong westerlies while new (MJO related) coming from the west. This is why 3 and 1+2 will heat up very quick.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#3886 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:40 pm

:uarrow: Ah, I see now. It shows up much better on that image. Is the GFS seeing that strong Kelvin wave due in part to the developing TC in the WPAC? Also, where do you get those images from?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3887 Postby CaliforniaResident » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:43 pm

Will the major earthquake in Northern Chile yesterday have any affect on El Nino? Will it push the warm water away or draw it in?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3888 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:01 pm

South Texas Storms wrote::uarrow: Ah, I see now. It shows up much better on that image. Is the GFS seeing that strong Kelvin wave due in part to the developing TC in the WPAC? Also, where do you get those images from?


Mike Ventrice (the Dr. who posted from Jeff Master's blog about super El Nino possibility back in Feb) IMO is one of the best in the relatively young science of MJO. I follow his stuff on MJO intently and his site is much better than what the CPC has. Can be found here!

http://mikeventrice.weebly.com/
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#3889 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:06 pm

TD 05W is expected to intensify into a typhoon, which may cause a WWB
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#3890 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:12 pm

Niño regions are rapidly warming. Niño 1+2 is away from Nina status, Niño 3 is very near El Niño threshold at +0.436, Niño 3.4 is warming and at warm neutral and Niño 4 is at El Niño threshold.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3891 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:47 pm

Ntxw wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote::uarrow: Ah, I see now. It shows up much better on that image. Is the GFS seeing that strong Kelvin wave due in part to the developing TC in the WPAC? Also, where do you get those images from?


Mike Ventrice (the Dr. who posted from Jeff Master's blog about super El Nino possibility back in Feb) IMO is one of the best in the relatively young science of MJO. I follow his stuff on MJO intently and his site is much better than what the CPC has. Can be found here!

http://mikeventrice.weebly.com/


Thanks for the link, he does have a pretty cool site! So the next Kelvin wave should be arriving in the ENSO regions in the next 10 days?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3892 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:04 am

Latest update on Equatorial Pacific SST anomalies:
Note that I rounded off the numbers.
Nino 1+2
Yesterday: -0.3C
Today: -0.25C
Nino 3
Yesterday: +0.3C
Today:+0.51C
Nino 3.4
Yesterday: +0.2C
Today: +0.48C
Nino 4
Yesterday: +0.8C
Today: +0.84C


Looks like a strong El Nino is very close to reality right now. We can also see that those cool anomalies are starting to be replaced by warmer anomalies.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3893 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:45 am

Is inevitable now.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#3894 Postby MississippiWx » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:15 am

Levi's site has Nino 3.4 at +0.591 now while Nino 4 is at +0.9.
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#3895 Postby Ntxw » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:09 am

It is not just the wpac, on the other side of the equator there is activity as well. All a big part of what is going on, plenty of ominous signs. A lot of energy to come in the tropical Pacific. When you have feedback one thing just enhances another in a cycle.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3896 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:16 am

MississippiWx wrote:Levi's site has Nino 3.4 at +0.591 now while Nino 4 is at +0.9.


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Re: ENSO Updates:Data shows all ENSO regions going up

#3897 Postby euro6208 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:23 am

All 3 regions except 1.2 already at elnino!

1.2 is shallower and any changes will be temporary but once the warm pool comes...nothing is stopping it...

WARMTH coming to 1.2!
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#3898 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:15 pm

Interesting to watch. All happening without a WWB in place and an MJO not in prime position!
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Re: ENSO Updates

#3900 Postby blp » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:33 pm

Although I do see the parallels between 97 event and this year in the EPAC the Atlantic is a different story as we have a fairly large warm pool in the W. Atlantic versus in 97 which was showing mostly warm pool off Africa and cool waters in W. Atlantic. I also went back to the 04, 06, 09 events and they were all similar in profile to 97. I don't see a close parallel for this ENSO year. Granted it is early but it something I will keep my eye on. May be a problem for home brew systems.

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.4.3.2014.gif
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