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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#541 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:59 pm

dhweather wrote:FWD AFD



AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
342 PM CDT TUE APR 22 2014

.DISCUSSION...
WITH MID- AND UPPER-LEVEL RIDGING ALOFT...IT WAS A PLEASANT
AFTERNOON ACROSS NORTH AND CENTRAL TEXAS...WITH SLIGHTLY ABOVE
NORMAL TEMPERATURES. THESE RIDGE AXES WILL SOON PASS EAST OF THE
AREA AS THE STORM SYSTEM NOW OVER CALIFORNIA SWINGS INTO THE
INTERMOUNTAIN WEST. AS ITS ASSOCIATED MID-LEVEL JET EXITS THE
HIGH TERRAIN AND HEADS INTO THE CENTRAL PLAINS...LEE TROUGHING
WILL BE INDUCED AT THE SURFACE. THIS WILL RAPIDLY CREATE A DRYLINE
THROUGH THE PANHANDLE AND SOUTH PLAINS ON WEDNESDAY...ALONG
WHICH THUNDERSTORMS WILL LIKELY DEVELOP. THESE STORMS WILL HAVE A
TENDENCY TO MOVE EAST AND NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE BOUNDARY...BUT
THE ACTIVITY WILL LIKELY BE WELL WEST OF NORTH TEXAS BY NIGHTFALL
WEDNESDAY EVENING. THE CONVECTION WILL BE ENTERING AN AREA OF
INCREASING CINH WITH A STABILIZING BOUNDARY LAYER. THE MAIN UPPER
LOW WILL SKIRT THE CANADIAN BORDER...BUT A TRAILING SHORTWAVE MAY
HELP MAINTAIN AT LEAST ELEVATED CONVECTION INTO NORTH TEXAS
WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING. THIS IS NOT THE IDEAL TIME
OF DAY FOR SEVERE STORMS...BUT WITH A 30- TO 40-KT LLJ BENEATH
CONSIDERABLE MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES AND INCREASING FORCING FOR
ASCENT...THERE MAY BE SOME UPDRAFTS CAPABLE OF SUSTAINING LARGE
HAIL. REGARDLESS...3RD-PERIOD POPS ARE LOW AND EMPHASIZE LACK OF
CONFIDENCE THAT THE STORMS WILL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE INTO NORTH
TEXAS. THE GFS/GEM SOLUTIONS HAVE THE TRAILING SHORTWAVE EAST OF
OUR AREA BY THURSDAY AFTERNOON...BUT THE LATEST NAM/ECMWF
SOLUTIONS ARE A BIT SLOWER. AS A RESULT...WILL MAINTAIN SOME LOW-
END POPS IN THE FAR EAST THURSDAY AFTERNOON.

THERE IS STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE STORM SYSTEM THAT WILL
ENTER THE PLAINS THIS WEEKEND...BUT THERE IS GENERALLY GOOD
AGREEMENT THAT THE COMPACT MID-LEVEL LOW WILL MOVE NORTH AS IT
EMERGES FROM THE HIGHER TERRAIN TO THE WEST. THIS WILL RESULT IN
RAPID INTENSIFICATION AS THE FEATURE BOTH STRETCHES VERTICALLY AND
MOVES POLEWARD. THE GREATER UNCERTAINTY IS RELATED TO HOW MUCH
ENERGY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE SOUTHERN PLAINS. SIMILAR TO
WEDNESDAY...A DRYLINE TO OUR WEST (BUT LIKELY CLOSER) MAY AGAIN
FOCUS AFTERNOON CONVECTION THAT COULD APPROACH SATURDAY EVENING.
WITH A VIGOROUS 40- TO 50-KT LLJ SATURDAY NIGHT...AFTERNOON
CONVECTION FROM AS FAR NORTH AS KANSAS MAY BE ABLE TO CONGEAL INTO
A NOCTURNAL MCS THAT COULD FIND ITS WAY INTO NORTH TEXAS SUNDAY
MORNING. ANOTHER LOBE OF ENERGY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STORM SYSTEM
COULD IMPACT NORTH TEXAS ON MONDAY.

THE MAIN UPPER LOW WILL THEN MEANDER TOWARD THE OHIO VALLEY NEXT
WEEK...AND EXTENDED GUIDANCE IS SUGGESTING IT COULD BECOME A CUT-
OFF. THE 12Z GFS HAS REDUCED THE AMPLITUDE OF BOTH THE BLOCKING
HIGH IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC AND THE LONGWAVE RIDGE ACROSS THE
WESTERN CONUS (AS COMPARED TO THE 06Z SOLUTION)...BUT THE CUT-OFF
REMAINS. ALTHOUGH THE ECMWF HAS SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES...IT TOO
HAS FULL-LATITUDE NORTHERLY FLOW THROUGH THE CENTRAL PLAINS. THIS
IS NOT GOOD NEWS FOR DROUGHT-STRICKEN TEXAS AS THIS WILL SHUT-OFF
THE TYPICAL SPRING STORM MECHANISMS.
CPC 6-10DAY AND 8-14DAY
OUTLOOKS (ENCOMPASSING APR 28 - MAY 6) SHOW AN ENHANCED LIKELIHOOD
OF BELOW NORMAL TEMPERATURES AND BELOW PRECIPITATION FOR NORTH AND
CENTRAL TEXAS.


I saw that CPC outlook today. I noticed the below normal temps and below normal precip, which I thought was odd. :double:
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#542 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:01 pm

Ntxw wrote:We got to watch for MCS activity. Euro looks to drive several round of them across the northern and eastern half of the state regardless of the cap. FW mentioned this, and frankly I will take them over the supercells. Because any of those that do get going will be violent.


I agree! I will gladly take a routine nocturnal MCS over a supercell ANY day. :wink:
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#543 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:39 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:We got to watch for MCS activity. Euro looks to drive several round of them across the northern and eastern half of the state regardless of the cap. FW mentioned this, and frankly I will take them over the supercells. Because any of those that do get going will be violent.


I agree! I will gladly take a routine nocturnal MCS over a supercell ANY day. :wink:


Unfortunately I highly doubt any rain will make it as far south as Austin and San Antonio within the next 7 days at least. The energy will likely move too far north as usual. This weather pattern is pretty darn awful and it just won't end. It's been dry across a large part of Texas since the beginning of 2014. Come on wet weather pattern! Texas misses you a lot!
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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#544 Postby Texas Snowman » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:07 pm

"@stormchaser4850: Australian Meteorology Bureau: El Nino’s arrival, as early as July, seen by all climate models http://t.co/idwe4wyJPG"
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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#545 Postby aggiecutter » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:37 pm

Reed Timmer ‏@reedtimmerTVN 1h
This Saturday-Monday could easily be the most significant multi-day #tornado outbreak in the U.S. since 2011.
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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#546 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:47 pm

aggiecutter wrote:Reed Timmer ‏@reedtimmerTVN 1h
This Saturday-Monday could easily be the most significant multi-day #tornado outbreak in the U.S. since 2011.



Yeesshh...I hope not...Goodness...
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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#547 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:09 pm

From DFW Scanner/Texas Storm Chasers combined with the SPC info

"The latest weather models that arrived overnight came into unusually decent agreement that the atmosphere will be setting up for a potential multi-day outbreak of severe weather this weekend. This threat not only includes Texas but Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana. Not only will this be a large threat-zone but it has the potential to include multiple days."

They are already calling it a very dangerous situation.


TRONG MID-LEVEL SPEED MAX IS FORECAST TO DIG SEWD INTO THE LOWER CO
RIVER VALLEY SATURDAY WITH UPPER DIFLUENCE EXPECTED ACROSS THE
PLAINS AS FAR SOUTH AS WEST TX AT 27/00Z. THIS EVOLUTION WILL ALLOW
SUBSTANTIAL MOISTURE TO ADVANCE POLEWARD ACROSS THE SRN PLAINS WHERE
PW VALUES SHOULD EASILY APPROACH 1.25 INCHES AS SFC DEW POINTS CLIMB
THROUGH THE MID-UPPER 60S ACROSS A BROAD WARM SECTOR. LATEST
THINKING IS MODERATE-EXTREME INSTABILITY SHOULD DEVELOP ALONG ERN
PLUME OF STEEP LAPSE RATES FROM WCNTRL TX…NWD INTO SCNTRL KS
SATURDAY WHERE MUCAPE COULD APPROACH 4000 J/KG. IF THERMODYNAMIC
ENVIRONMENT EVOLVES AS LATEST GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THEN POTENTIALLY
SIGNIFICANT SUPERCELL DEVELOPMENT WITH VERY LARGE HAIL AND TORNADOES
CAN BE EXPECTED. CONVECTION SHOULD INITIATE ALONG DRYLINE FROM SWRN
TX…NWD INTO WRN KS SATURDAY THEN REDEVELOP AGAIN SUNDAY FROM SERN
KS…SWD INTO CNTRL TX AS MID-LEVEL SPEED MAX EJECTS INTO THE SRN
PLAINS. SEVERE TSTMS SHOULD SPREAD INTO THE MS VALLEY BY EARLY
MONDAY. ORGANIZED SEVERE MAY CONTINUE INTO THE DAY7 PERIOD BUT
SUBSTANTIAL CONVECTION DURING THE DAY5-6 TIME FRAME COULD
POTENTIALLY DISRUPT THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT…THUS CONFIDENCE IS
NOT AS HIGH.
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Re: Texas Spring-2014

#548 Postby aggiecutter » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:34 pm

Tireman4 wrote:
aggiecutter wrote:Reed Timmer ‏@reedtimmerTVN 1h
This Saturday-Monday could easily be the most significant multi-day #tornado outbreak in the U.S. since 2011.



Yeesshh...I hope not...Goodness...


To this point, there has not been a tornado related fatality in the United States this spring. That has not happened in 99 years. Unfortunately, it looks like that is about to change.
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#549 Postby aggiecutter » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:53 pm

From the NWS in Norman:

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#550 Postby Tireman4 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:18 pm

aggiecutter wrote:
Tireman4 wrote:
aggiecutter wrote:Reed Timmer ‏@reedtimmerTVN 1h
This Saturday-Monday could easily be the most significant multi-day #tornado outbreak in the U.S. since 2011.



Yeesshh...I hope not...Goodness...


To this point, there has not been a tornado related fatality in the United States this spring. That has not happened in 99 years. Unfortunately, it looks like that is about to change.


Maybe not. If folks heed the warnings. Take precautions and be weather smart, I think we could do well.
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#551 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:59 pm

I'm not fully sold an outbreak for Texas still. Cinh is not going to be easy to overcome and its not the perfect set up, more can go wrong than right for supercell clusters. Some isolated ones for sure. I'll wait for another round of models to jump on the bandwagon. I think severe mode from MCS is the more likely outcome for us.

Can't say the same for dixie folks, they look to be in more danger for a major outbreak.
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#552 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:08 pm

:uarrow: What I have been seeing on some forums around the web in the last few hours is that if the latest Euro verified and the storm moves a bit slower, than we could be in very big trouble on Sunday. But if the 18z GFS verified, Saturday would be a very bad day for Kansas and Oklahoma but may or may not be as bad here on Sunday.
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#553 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:27 pm

TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: What I have been seeing on some forums around the web in the last few hours is that if the latest Euro verified and the storm moves a bit slower, than we could be in very big trouble on Sunday. But if the 18z GFS verified, Saturday would be a very bad day for Kansas and Oklahoma but may or may not be as bad here on Sunday.


Kansas and Oklahoma are closer to the system that's coming out of Colorado. As usually the case we are the tail end which the cap is harder to break because we are further way from the forcing. But usually when something does come out they tend to be discrete and bad, we'll see a lot of details to be worked out.

The euro is still showing unusual cutoff large scale trof east of the Rockies, looks chilly.
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#554 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:12 pm

How much longer are we going to have to wait to get a widespread heavy rain event across much of Texas? It has been such a long time since we've had one. Usually we've had at least two by this time of the year. We haven't had one yet this year.
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#555 Postby dhweather » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:30 am

South Texas Storms wrote:How much longer are we going to have to wait to get a widespread heavy rain event across much of Texas? It has been such a long time since we've had one. Usually we've had at least two by this time of the year. We haven't had one yet this year.


I don't think we will see one anytime soon. After this weekend, the block sets in , persistent northwest flow, low to no rain chances.
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#556 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:39 am

I don't like using the Weather Channel's data, but if they're right and it hits 90 here on Sunday, could that be hot enough to break the cap?
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#557 Postby dhweather » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:59 am

I have a feeling that the dryline will be along I-35 or just east, so thunderstorms that do form will be east of the metroplex.
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#558 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:20 pm

Found a link that the EWX office posted on Facebook about Serranias Del Burro storm formation. Quite interesting! Not much observational data over the years, given the area they form is so remote.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/ed ... lburro.pdf
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#559 Postby Tireman4 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Ntwx,

Question. Brooks Garner, our OCM on KHOU ( our local affiliate) stated on his Facebook that this upcoming front would be the last front of the season. He stated it was the " but it's likely to be the last "effective" (in its cooling) cold front".

Do you concur?
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#560 Postby TarrantWx » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:57 pm

The 12z NAM is initiating convection on the dryline west of DFW Saturday afternoon and then moves it east into the area Saturday evening. It's forecasting lower 700mb temps in the initiation area at 00z which effectively gets rid of the cap but I'm not sure why. Forcing is still well off to the west and the dryline doesn't look particularly sharp. Any thoughts? There does seem to be a little bit of upper level divergence at 300mb. Anything that gets going could be pretty ugly, especially from 6-10pm as low level helicity ramps up and LCLs fall before any storms go elevated. Also, if the NAM is to believed verbatim, the dry line will plow through here mid-morning Sunday with dew points falling below 30 by Sunday afternoon. Looks like great fire weather conditions :roll:
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