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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#481 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:07 pm

The models are showing more recurving WPAC typhoons after Matmo. I would not bet against this, and the long range guidance has been flipping from warm to cool. We're going to start August with unusual below normal temperatures once past this week's heat wave at peak heat climo. This is not normal.

Any one of these 2-3SD's troughs and cool air masses would be memorable for any summer, but to have several is strange. This summer continued where winter of 2013-2014 left off.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#482 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:28 pm

Ntxw wrote:The models are showing more recurving WPAC typhoons after Matmo. I would not bet against this, and the long range guidance has been flipping from warm to cool. We're going to start August with unusual below normal temperatures once past this week's heat wave at peak heat climo. This is not normal.

Any one of these 2-3SD's troughs and cool air masses would be memorable for any summer, but to have several is strange. This summer continued where winter of 2013-2014 left off.


I am sure there have been summers like that in the past.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#483 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:38 pm

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Ntxw wrote:The models are showing more recurving WPAC typhoons after Matmo. I would not bet against this, and the long range guidance has been flipping from warm to cool. We're going to start August with unusual below normal temperatures once past this week's heat wave at peak heat climo. This is not normal.

Any one of these 2-3SD's troughs and cool air masses would be memorable for any summer, but to have several is strange. This summer continued where winter of 2013-2014 left off.


I am sure there have been summers like that in the past.


There are several in mind particularly in the early 1900s. I'm familiar with wetter summers being cool, usually with upper level lows parked overhead in the long haul. That hasn't been so much the case but rather cooler air over NA and deepening troughs across the midwest/lakes. I'll have to dig deeper into EPO related summers.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#484 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:57 pm

Ntxw wrote:
There are several in mind particularly in the early 1900s. I'm familiar with wetter summers being cool, usually with upper level lows parked overhead in the long haul. That hasn't been so much the case but rather cooler air over NA and deepening troughs across the midwest/lakes. I'll have to dig deeper into EPO related summers.


I know there have been cool summers like in 1972, 1976, 1989, 1990, and 1992.
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#485 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:24 pm

I "woke up" from my Summer stupor when I read this blurb today from Bob Rose:

Long-range solutions indicate the pattern may turn interesting late next week as a piece of the upper trough breaks off and backs southwest across Texas. Should this solution be correct, the approaching upper trough would cause the development of rain showers and thunderstorms across much of Central and South Texas.
http://www.lcra.org/water/river-and-wea ... ather.aspx
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#486 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:31 am

GFS decides to join the party. JB posted this of the model which falls in line with it's ENS. Euro is equally impressive with a shortwave coming down on the backside which brings rain to Texas similar to last week. It may be a 5-7 day forecast but I think it's pretty clear something is going to happen. Just a matter of fine tuning the details. May just be a repeat of what already was, definitely a day or two of 70s/80s in the cards which as mentioned before during peak climo will likely set records.

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#487 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:36 am

Do Typhoons typically not start recurving until later in the season?
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#488 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:59 am

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Do Typhoons typically not start recurving until later in the season?


I believe they occur most during the fall when troughs starts dipping further south to pick them up. What is unusual is the amplification of troughs and ridges these typhoons have been signaling. Jet stream is normally further north in the heart of summer.
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#489 Postby DonWrk » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:58 am

Wondering if these storms later today will make their way through the area. HRRR seems to think so for right now.
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#490 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:04 pm

I am CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
349 PM CDT WED JUL 23 2014

.SHORT TERM (TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT)...
ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE COASTAL PLAINS...BUT AS MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER UPDATE...COVERAGE WILL REMAIN LIMITED AND STORMS SHORT-LIVED DUE TO LIMITED MOISTURE AT MID-LEVELS. EXPECT THIS ACTIVITY WILL END BY SUNSET. THE MESOSCALE MODELS SHOW AN MCS MOVING SOUTH-SOUTHWEST THROUGH NORTHEAST TEXAS OVERNIGHT...BUT THIS SHOULD DISSIPATE BEFORE REACHING OUR AREA.
OTHERWISE...EXPECT THE UPPER RIDGE TO STAY IN PLACE TOMORROW...WITH ISOLATED STORMS AGAIN POSSIBLE ALONG THE COASTAL AND RIOGRANDE PLAINS.

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.LONG TERM (FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY)...
NO MAJOR CHANGES IN THE EXTENDED PERIOD...WITH THE UPPER LEVEL RIDGE BECOMING MORE AMPLIFIED OVER THE ROCKIES. ENOUGH OF THE RIDGE/S INFLUENCE STAYS ACROSS TEXAS TO KEEP OUR AREA HOT AND DRY THROUGH TUESDAY. THE MEDIUM RANGE MODELS ARE IN GOOD TO EXCELLENT AGREEMENT IN A DEEP TROUGH DEVELOPING OVER THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE COUNTRY BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. CHANCES FOR RAIN AND AN ACTUAL COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE ARE INCREASING...ESPECIALLY FOR THE THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY TIME FRAME. AT THIS POINT...OUR SEVEN-
DAY FORECAST IS THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY...SO ONLY LOW POPS ALONGAND NORTH OF U.S. 90...BUT THE TREND LOOKS FAVORABLE FOR RELIEF FROM THE HEAT (BOTH COOLER AND WETTER) AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#491 Postby Portastorm » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:50 pm

:uarrow:

While nothing is ever guaranteed in the weather business, I think you can feel fairly confident about the pattern change next week. All of the medium range models for several days now have been showing the re-development of the pattern we saw last week: strong ridge in the west and deep trough in the east. Look for a "cool" front and increased rain for much of Texas starting the middle of next week.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#492 Postby somethingfunny » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:56 pm

Ntxw wrote:The models are showing more recurving WPAC typhoons after Matmo. I would not bet against this, and the long range guidance has been flipping from warm to cool. We're going to start August with unusual below normal temperatures once past this week's heat wave at peak heat climo. This is not normal.

Any one of these 2-3SD's troughs and cool air masses would be memorable for any summer, but to have several is strange. This summer continued where winter of 2013-2014 left off.


The fact that we're using a word like "heat wave" to describe mid-90s in late July is a massive victory :D
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#493 Postby aggiecutter » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:10 pm

Texarkana just received a wind gust of 70mph and heavy rain with a line of thunderstorms moving due south. It looks like a lot of east Texas communities will be affected by the line as it moves south.

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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#494 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:43 pm

Portastorm wrote::uarrow:

While nothing is ever guaranteed in the weather business, I think you can feel fairly confident about the pattern change next week. All of the medium range models for several days now have been showing the re-development of the pattern we saw last week: strong ridge in the west and deep trough in the east. Look for a "cool" front and increased rain for much of Texas starting the middle of next week.


Agreed, unlike winter patterns summer is rather easy to predict with a slower jet stream. Often the weather is stale and unchanging and when you do see change it tends to occur because it doesn't take much to flip it. Just got to wait to fine tune the details.
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Re: Texas Summer - 2014

#495 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:47 pm

From the CPC. Makes you think of winter :lol: PWC mets been getting some practice, can we dub it severe summer cold outbreak? :jacket:

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#496 Postby dhweather » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:03 pm

Is the WSI tanking ?
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#497 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:13 pm

dhweather wrote:Is the WSI tanking ?


It and natural gas!

WSI outlook :darrow: :darrow: :darrow:

Serious note the fall of natural gas is beneficial to us. ERCOT is having a pretty nice savings summer this year, nice reprieve from the past few of course typically reflects to savings for us.
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#498 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:10 pm

We had some strong winds and a 10+ degree temp drop with the outflow boundary then heavy rain. It is still raining and looks to continue for a while. It was enough to knock out our power.
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#499 Postby WeatherGuesser » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:28 pm

Ntxw wrote:Serious note the fall of natural gas is beneficial to us. ERCOT is having a pretty nice savings summer this year, nice reprieve from the past few of course typically reflects to savings for us.


I keep seeing that, but there can't be anywhere near the demand in summer. Cooking, water heaters, some vehicles is about all on the residential end. Then there's food service and industrial usage that shouldn't change too much seasonally.
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#500 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:45 pm

WeatherGuesser wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Serious note the fall of natural gas is beneficial to us. ERCOT is having a pretty nice savings summer this year, nice reprieve from the past few of course typically reflects to savings for us.


I keep seeing that, but there can't be anywhere near the demand in summer. Cooking, water heaters, some vehicles is about all on the residential end. Then there's food service and industrial usage that shouldn't change too much seasonally.


Many of Texas energy companies use natural gas to produce electricity to supplement wind, and other sources. For a state that uses nonstop AC it can add up to a very good sum of savings as a collective whole, especially those who are not on a fixed rate (unlike some other areas of the country Texas' has deregulation). Up north and east there is not as much an influence because they do not use as much AC.

I think your assumption is natural gas is something for winter and heating, however it is also used to produce electricity.
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