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#381 Postby hurrtracker79 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:00 am

TheStormExpert wrote:So how is this going to survive with 50kts of shear in it's path and the shear is only increasing from there?


The wind shear is moving WNW in TANDEM with 96L. Little to no impact on it at this time. The system is large in nature, and systems of this size usually take their sweet time to organize. Levi Cowan pointed this out 2 days ago. IMO, the weaker this stays the more west it will track. Not a forecast, just my thoughts. We have seen this with previous systems. Still much uncertainty with this system in the short & long term.
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#382 Postby Alyono » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:02 am

hurrtracker79 wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:So how is this going to survive with 50kts of shear in it's path and the shear is only increasing from there?


The wind shear is moving WNW in TANDEM with 96L. Little to no impact on it at this time. The system is large in nature, and systems of this size usually take their sweet time to organize. Levi Cowan pointed this out 2 days ago. IMO, the weaker this stays the more west it will track. Not a forecast, just my thoughts. We have seen this with previous systems. Still much uncertainty with this system in the short & long term.


Cohen is dead wrong on the weak = west. Already explained in this thread why
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#383 Postby Cyclenall » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:20 am

deltadog03 wrote:I, for one, thought it was very possible to get this to the gom, but it had to develop pretty quickly. I thought this one had a better than not chance of doing that because conditions were a little better... Either way, my money says this stays weak, at best, and moves out to sea. IF*** and thats a gigantic IF, it does develop into a TS or something, then yes, it has a potential to effect FL, but as of now....meh

Meh = Me on the 2014 Atlantic Hurricane Season. An Invest moving out to sea (NOT an official forecast) isn't quite my idea of peak hurricane season activity or the lid popping off.

Alyono wrote:Cohen is dead wrong on the weak = west. Already explained in this thread why

Which page? I've heard of steering setup's that work in reverse like that and I wonder how that comes up. I don't know that I've seen this setup where a TC does strengthen quickly and moves westwards as a result.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#384 Postby Blown Away » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:23 am

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:05 PM GMT on August 21, 2014

Heavy rain showers are sweeping through the Lesser Antilles Islands as a strong tropical wave (Invest 96L) heads west-northwestwards at about 15 - 20 mph through the islands. Satellite loops on Thursday morning showed a pretty unimpressive system, with a broad, elongated surface circulation and a modest amount of heavy thunderstorm activity that had changed little in intensity or organization since Wednesday. The storm was poorly organized, with a clumpy appearance and just a few small low-level spiral bands. Radar loops from Barbados and Martinique showed only a slight amount of rotation in the radar echoes. An 8:37 pm EDT Wednesday pass from the ASCAT satellite showed top surface winds near 35 mph on the east side of 96L. Wind shear is moderate, 10 - 20 knots, and water vapor satellite images and the Saharan Air Layer analysis show that 96L has moistened its environment considerably since Wednesday, though some dry pockets persist in the vicinity, particularly to the west. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are near 28°C, which favors development.

Forecast for 96L
Given 96L's disorganized appearance on satellite imagery, the Thursday afternoon flight of the Hurricane Hunters may get cancelled. The earliest I would expect 96L to become a tropical depression would be Friday morning. The 0Z Thursday runs of our three most reliable models for predicting tropical cyclone genesis, the UKMET, GFS, and European models, had one model, the UKMET, predicting potential development into a tropical depression by Saturday. The storm will pass through the Lesser Antilles Islands Thursday and Friday, bringing heavy rain showers and strong winds, which will also affect the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Dominican Republic Friday through Saturday. A Flash Flood Watch is in effect from late Thursday night through Saturday morning for the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Culebra, and Vieques. Rainfall amounts of 4 - 6" with locally higher amounts are expected.

The circulation center of 96L has jumped considerably to the northwest over the past day, resulting in northward shifts in the expected track of the system from all of the major models. On Saturday, 96L may pass near or over the islands of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola, whose rugged terrain would likely disrupt the storm. By Sunday, 96L is expected to be near the Southeast Bahamas and Turks and Caicos Islands, and both the GFS and UKMET models predict that 96L will be able to develop into a tropical depression by Sunday or Monday. The 8 am EDT Thursday run of the SHIPS model predicted that wind shear would stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, though Sunday, then rise on Monday. With dry air expected to be in the region, wind shear would likely be able to drive the dry air into the circulation of 96L, keeping any development slow. A trough of low pressure is expected to be over the U.S. East Coast early next week, and the GFS and European models predict that this trough will be strong enough to turn 96L north and then northeast, keeping the storm away from the Southeast U.S. coast. However, long-range model forecasts of disturbances that haven't formed into a tropical depression yet are unreliable, and we should not be confident that 96L will miss the Mainland U.S. yet. In their 8 am EDT Thursday Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave the disturbance 2-day and 5-day development odds of 50% and 70%, respectively.


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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#385 Postby tropicwatch » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:29 am

It appears that the 850mb vorticity has come down quite a bit.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#386 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:44 am

A little laugher here as TAFB puts the red x of the 12z analysis over my head in San Juan. :)

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#387 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:47 am

Well, Recon just took off a very short time ago and is on the way to check out what is going on with 96L.
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#388 Postby OuterBanker » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:51 am

JMHO, to me it seems that 96L is becoming more symmetrical and trying to consolidate in the northwest section of the elongated circulation. I also see that the ssw shear just east of PR has lessened quite a bit.
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#389 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:54 am

OuterBanker wrote:JMHO, to me it seems that 96L is becoming more symmetrical and trying to consolidate in the northwest section of the elongated circulation. I also see that the ssw shear just east of PR has lessened quite a bit.



That northwest section of the elongated LLC does have the more concentrated convection at this time.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#390 Postby Portastorm » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:58 am

Remember folks, we have a separate thread for ruminating on computer models.

Thanks. :wink:
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#391 Postby Hammy » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:19 am

96 is looking terrible this afternoon, it looks like both the moisture and the favorable upper air conditions are outrunning it quite a bit as you can see the LLC peaking out of the northeastern side. I'm starting to think this may just stay a depression or weak storm if it develops, and die over Hispaniola.
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#392 Postby Gustywind » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:00 pm

Latest numbers from SSD...

DATE/TIME LAT LON CLASSIFICATION STORM
21/1145 UTC 14.9N 56.0W T1.0/1.0 96L
21/0545 UTC 13.8N 55.5W T1.0/1.0 96L
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#393 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:01 pm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#394 Postby Blown Away » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:04 pm

tolakram wrote:RAMDIS floater repositioned over the center. You can kind of sort of maybe see an LLC in these 4 frames.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/loop.asp?data_folder=tropical/tropical_ge_1km_center_relative_vis_floater&width=640&height=480&number_of_images_to_display=4


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#395 Postby gatorcane » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:04 pm

Some of the floater loops on the NHC site are about 3 hours behind I just noticed...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#396 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:05 pm

It's due for a center burst.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#397 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:07 pm

If they can close off a center based on recon with 46mph surface wind this would be TS Cristobal with 40mph wind which would give the models a pinpoint on where this is and give a more accurate depiction

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#398 Postby Evil Jeremy » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:10 pm

:uarrow: Even if recon can close 96L off right now, which I find unlikely, I doubt the NHC pulls the trigger until convection gets more organized, because right now, its a mess.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#399 Postby N2FSU » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:11 pm

tolakram wrote:RAMDIS floater repositioned over the center. You can kind of sort of maybe see an LLC in these 4 frames.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/loop.asp?data_folder=tropical/tropical_ge_1km_center_relative_vis_floater&width=640&height=480&number_of_images_to_display=4



My eyes fail me. Where do you estimate the LLC at?
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#400 Postby OuterBanker » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:12 pm

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but this could be a very large system if it does get its act together.
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