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#181 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:12 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Maybe Hawaii will get fortunate and it will pull an Iselle and weaken a good bit right before hitting or coming close to the Big Island.


The angle of approach from Ana is different than the angle from Iselle.

True, but the volcanic mountains could once again impact the circulation several hours prior to landfall or her closest approach to the Big Island.
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#182 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:22 pm

00z GFS essentially the same.
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#183 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:31 pm

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#184 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:36 pm

Cloud tops are very cold. After a prelude to a bit of intensification.
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#185 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:37 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Maybe Hawaii will get fortunate and it will pull an Iselle and weaken a good bit right before hitting or coming close to the Big Island.


The angle of approach from Ana is different than the angle from Iselle.

True, but the volcanic mountains could once again impact the circulation several hours prior to landfall or her closest approach to the Big Island.


I can't see the Big Island spitting it out if it passes E of the islands. The Big Island clearly did not bother Iniki.
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#186 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:39 pm

Is it me or does this look like Bertha did at 70 knts?
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#187 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:40 pm

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ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
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----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 15 OCT 2014 Time : 033000 UTC
Lat : 13:45:48 N Lon : 145:19:07 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.4 / 983.0mb/ 74.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.4 4.4 4.4

Center Temp : -77.7C Cloud Region Temp : -75.7C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : SPIRAL ANALYSIS

Ocean Basin : EAST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 37km
- Environmental MSLP : 1012mb

Satellite Name : GOES15
Satellite Viewing Angle : 20.1 degrees
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#188 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:54 pm

:uarrow: ADT is being ignored completely by the cphc.
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#189 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:59 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:The angle of approach from Ana is different than the angle from Iselle.

True, but the volcanic mountains could once again impact the circulation several hours prior to landfall or her closest approach to the Big Island.


I can't see the Big Island spitting it out if it passes E of the islands. The Big Island clearly did not bother Iniki.

Iniki did not even come close to the Big Island. It went Southwest of it about a hundred or so miles and went for the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands.
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#190 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:00 am

With the current CPHC track, any deviation to the right and Ana will decouple. Simple. Threading the needle.
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#191 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:04 am

Kingarabian wrote:With the current CPHC track, any deviation to the right and Ana will decouple. Simple. Threading the needle.

Agree, that would be the best scenario right now since Ana seems likely to come extremely close to Hawaii at the very least.
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#192 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:02 am

It appears that Ana has developed a CCC, which stands for a cold cloud cover. Basically we will have to wait until the CCC thins and warms. As soon as that happens, we may begin to finally see an eye.

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During late July 1996 the tropical atmosphere of the western North Pacific was dominated by an active monsoon trough. On 23 July, three TCs were developing along the axis of this trough: Frankie (in the South China Sea), Gloria (in the Philippine Sea, east of Luzon), and Herb (northeast of Guam) (Fig. 1). Gloria had been developing as a monsoon depression, defined by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) as a large (but relatively weak) cyclone in the monsoon trough that is composed of an ensemble of mesoscale convective systems (MCSs) (JTWC 1993). During the evening hours of 23 July, a cluster of small cold-topped MCSs began to grow near the estimated center position of Gloria. During a 6-h period, this cluster of MCSs mushroomed into an enormous CCC. By local midnight, the average diameter of the area within which the cloud-top temperature was at or below −70°C was approximately 780 km (Fig. 2).

In relation to published statistics of convective cloud sizes, Gloria’s CCC is extraordinarily large. The area of that portion of Gloria’s CCC (see Fig. 2) that is colder than −70°C is nearly 500 000 km2. For ease of visualization, one sees from Fig. 3 that this is nearly as large as the state of Texas (which encompasses 692 402 km2). In a study of 43 mesoscale convective complexes (MCCs) occurring over the central United States during 1978, Maddox (1980) measured the areal extent of cloud-top temperatures at, or below, −52°C. Only one of these 43 MCCs possessed a cold cloud shield (at, or below, −52°C) that was bigger than the portion of Gloria’s CCC that was at, or below, −70°C. In a study of winter monsoon cloud clusters in the region of Borneo and surrounding seas, Williams and Houze (1987) found no cluster elements (i.e., an individual cloud mass) meeting the area and temperature thresholds of at least 50 000 km2 of contiguous cloud below −60°C with a size greater than 300 000 km2. Mapes and Houze (1993) examined maritime tropical cloud clusters as defined by the very cold threshold of −65°C (which matches the instantaneous precipitation area in radar-sampled mature MCSs fairly well). In their study, a cloud cluster was identified on geostationary IR imagery by an algorithm that searched for connected areas of cold cloudiness. This algorithm required horizontal (along the satellite scan line) connectivity as well as a columnar (not merely touching diagonally) connectivity. Less than 0.1% of all cloud clusters at the temperature threshold of −65°C had sizes greater than 500 000 km2.

Gloria’s CCC was not only large but also exceptionally cold. Roughly half of the area of Gloria’s CCC was colder than −90°C. The coldest IR pixel, with an equivalent blackbody temperature of −100°C, was located near the geometric center of the CCC. This is an extremely cold cloud-top temperature that is rarely seen. It is only 2°C shy of the record cold cloud-top temperature of −102°C reported by Ebert and Holland (1992) in the deep convection associated with a TC near Australia.

By the early daylight hours of 24 July, the periphery of the CCC began to warm on IR imagery, and a new smaller CCC mushroomed into the preexisting cold cirrus canopy. As the day progressed, the underlying structure of Gloria gradually emerged in VIS imagery as the supporting convection of the CCC ended and the large cirrus canopy of the CCC thinned. By midafternoon, the cold cirrus of the CCC became nearly transparent, and a ragged eye accompanied by some peripheral convective cloud bands of the intensifying Gloria was then seen.

That a CCC indicates arrested development is a finding by Dvorak. This is generally accepted as valid and is used in operational application of Dvorak’s techniques. While it is true that there were no in situ measurements of the intensity of Gloria before, during, or after it possessed a CCC, the satellite imagery does provide evidence that little intensification took place. The JTWC best track (largely dependent upon satellite intensity estimates) shows little intensification during this time period. Prior to the formation of Gloria’s CCC, satellite intensity estimates (supported by ship observations) indicated that Gloria’s peak winds had increased to approximately 55 kt. During the afternoon hours of the following day, as the dense cirrus of Gloria’s CCC thinned to allow a view of the underlying central cloud structure, a very poorly defined eye was observed on VIS imagery, indicating that Gloria had become a minimal typhoon. By the morning hours of the next day, Gloria acquired a well-defined CDO within which there was a small cloud-filled eye. Applications of Dvorak’s techniques to the satellite imagery indicated that Gloria had reached 90 kt (its peak estimated intensity), representing a rise of only 35 kt during the 36-h interval following the onset of its CCC—hardly a remarkable change considering the extreme changes in the cloud pattern. This is consistent with Dvorak’s findings that the appearance of a CCC signals arrested development that is renewed as the eye pattern of the T4 (minimal hurricane) emerges beneath the thinning cirrus. It is an irony that the most significant convective event that may be observed during the life of a TC has little immediate effect upon the intensity.
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#193 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:09 am

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Most of the guidance has shifted to the West now, similar to the CPHC. The difference however, is that none of them show Ana maintaining anything more than tropical depression status once it passes the Big Island.
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#194 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:44 am

WTPA25 PHFO 150835
TCMCP5

TROPICAL STORM ANA FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 7
NWS CENTRAL PACIFIC HURRICANE CENTER HONOLULU HI CP022014
0900 UTC WED OCT 15 2014

THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.

A HURRICANE WATCH MAY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE MAIN HAWAIIAN
ISLANDS ON WEDNESDAY.


TROPICAL STORM CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.1N 146.1W AT 15/0900Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 30 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST OR 275 DEGREES AT 8 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 994 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 60 KT WITH GUSTS TO 75 KT.
50 KT....... 25NE 20SE 20SW 25NW.
34 KT....... 60NE 45SE 35SW 55NW.
12 FT SEAS..120NE 40SE 40SW 110NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 14.1N 146.1W AT 15/0900Z
AT 15/0600Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 13.9N 145.8W

FORECAST VALID 15/1800Z 14.3N 147.4W
MAX WIND 65 KT...GUSTS 80 KT.
64 KT... 25NE 0SE 0SW 25NW.
50 KT... 35NE 25SE 25SW 35NW.
34 KT... 75NE 55SE 50SW 70NW.

FORECAST VALID 16/0600Z 14.6N 148.9W
MAX WIND 70 KT...GUSTS 85 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 0SE 0SW 30NW.
50 KT... 40NE 35SE 35SW 40NW.
34 KT... 85NE 65SE 60SW 80NW.

FORECAST VALID 16/1800Z 15.1N 150.5W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.
64 KT... 30NE 30SE 25SW 30NW.
50 KT... 50NE 40SE 40SW 45NW.
34 KT...100NE 75SE 70SW 90NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/0600Z 15.6N 152.1W
MAX WIND 80 KT...GUSTS 100 KT.
50 KT... 55NE 45SE 45SW 50NW.
34 KT...110NE 85SE 75SW 100NW.

FORECAST VALID 18/0600Z 17.9N 155.0W
MAX WIND 80 KT...GUSTS 100 KT.
50 KT... 60NE 50SE 50SW 55NW.
34 KT...120NE 95SE 85SW 100NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 125 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 175 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 15 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 19/0600Z 19.9N 157.2W
MAX WIND 75 KT...GUSTS 90 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 20/0600Z 21.6N 158.6W
MAX WIND 65 KT...GUSTS 80 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 14.1N 146.1W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 15/1500Z

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#195 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:45 am

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#196 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:47 am

At 1100 pm HST, 0900 UTC, the center of tropical storm Ana was located near latitude 14.1 north, longitude 146.1 west. Ana is moving toward the west near 9 mph, 15 km/h, and this general motion is expected to continue through Wednesday, with a gradual turn toward the west northwest expected Wednesday night and Thursday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 70 mph, 110 km/h, with higher gusts. Additional intensification is expected during the next couple of days, and Ana may become a hurricane on Wednesday.

Tropical storm force winds extend outward up to 70 miles, 110 km from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 994 mb, 29.36 inches.
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Re: CPAC: ANA - Tropical Storm

#197 Postby hawaiigirl » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:04 am

whats the chances of Ana hitting Oahu as a Cat 2+ ?
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#198 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:04 am

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Looks like an eye is trying to form. Nothing at the lower levels yet however.
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Re: CPAC: ANA - Tropical Storm

#199 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:05 am

hawaiigirl wrote:whats the chances of Ana hitting Oahu as a Cat 2+ ?

We don't know yet. We don't even know if it will be alive.
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#200 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:10 am

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 15 OCT 2014 Time : 080000 UTC
Lat : 13:33:52 N Lon : 145:55:25 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.4 / 984.1mb/ 74.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.4 4.4 4.3

Center Temp : -78.8C Cloud Region Temp : -77.3C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION w/ MW EYE

Positioning Method : SPIRAL ANALYSIS

Ocean Basin : EAST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : MW ON
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 48km
- Environmental MSLP : 1013mb

Satellite Name : GOES15
Satellite Viewing Angle : 20.3 degrees
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