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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1001 Postby Portastorm » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:25 pm

aggiecutter is right about how the 0z models looked ... but I just checked out the 12z GFS run and it reverses what the 0z run showed and pretty much keeps us locked down into below normal/much below normal temps over its 384-hour run.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1002 Postby aggiecutter » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:45 pm

Portastorm wrote:aggiecutter is right about how the 0z models looked ... but I just checked out the 12z GFS run and it reverses what the 0z run showed and pretty much keeps us locked down into below normal/much below normal temps over its 384-hour run.


I saw the 12Z run of the GFS. However, I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe that November 76 type of cold is coming for the next week. I see a overall pattern that is cold, but not 76 cold.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1003 Postby hriverajr » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:03 pm

I just hope we don't use up the pattern for the rest of the winter.. imagine if this was in January hehe. it is a very impressive length of cold air advection, seems to have some staying power if the models are right. Remember when we had those years when the big arctic blast was always in the future. This year, the big warm up may always be showing in future model runs but not really materializing.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1004 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:36 pm

Portastorm and I have been chatting since late last week about the upcoming pattern and what it may mean as we progress into early/mid Winter. The are some indications that the pattern that developing so soon may not be transient and for those that would like to read a bit more technical discussion from some research being done by Judah Cohen, Ph.D., and Jason Furtado, Ph.D., who work at Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER), a division of Verisk Climate. This was released on Friday and is a great read about the Arctic Oscillation, ENSO, PDO state and a potential early season SSW event developing and how it may impact our sensible weather as far South as our part of the World....

http://www.aer.com/science-research/cli ... scillation

Edit to add the 12Z GGEM and Euro are much different in their solutions suggested yesterday and overnight with much colder air across much of North America and embedded shortwaves adding to the developing snow cover across the Plains suggesting increasing odds of less airmass modification and insolation increasing. We have to start building that snow cover across the Lower 48 and it is beginning to look like the pattern will reload. Stepping down as I like to say as an analogy with each intrusion of Arctic air.
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#1005 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:50 pm

12z Euro is back to mischief, the cold air is a lock but any disturbances or digging trough out west has not been consistent on them be wary.
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#1006 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:25 pm

This is one of the times that we are better off going on the atmospheric setup and just use models as a tool to see what the sensible affects of those conditions may be. When the EPO goes negative the the cold air usually makes it farther south and with more intensity than the models depict as we saw many times last year.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1007 Postby aggiecutter » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:29 pm

Now this looks impressive for the following week. After that vort max ejects out from the 4 corners area, that should bring down some very cold air into the southern plains.


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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1008 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:49 pm

Very nice cross Polar flow developing via the Global guidance today in the medium to longer range. Amazing pattern for mid November gang...

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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1009 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:12 pm

hriverajr wrote:I just hope we don't use up the pattern for the rest of the winter.. imagine if this was in January hehe. it is a very impressive length of cold air advection, seems to have some staying power if the models are right. Remember when we had those years when the big arctic blast was always in the future. This year, the big warm up may always be showing in future model runs but not really materializing.


I know you may have said this in jest but there is something to it. The pattern is very stable and hard to breakdown. The Aleutian low is the key, heights in that region for weeks and months have been quite low, that is why Nuri was allowed to bomb out there. I think that is the dominant feature this season, typical of El Nino. It will be tough to break and if so won't break for long. The base state for the past 12 months is colder.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1010 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:33 pm

Afternoon briefing from Jeff:

Prolonged period of below to well below normal temperatures heading for much of the central and eastern US this week including TX.

Surface high pressure is gradually moving eastward this afternoon with surface winds swinging around to the south and southwest over the area. Winds will increase from the south on Monday and this will result in a fairly warm day with highs in the 70’s across much of the area. Monday will be the last day of highs in the 70’s likely for the next 10-15 days across the region.

US upper air pattern will undergo significant amplification along the US west coast into western Canada and blocking over the Atlantic Ocean in response to the extremely intense extra-tropical cyclone (ex-super typhoon Nuri remains) over the northern Pacific Ocean. Significant ridging along the west coast will dislodge a pool of cold polar air in NW Canada and send in quickly down the front range of the Rockies early this week. The trough being carved out downstream of the ridge over the central US is fairly significant for mid-November with below mid-level heights on the order of 2-3 standard deviations from normal. This will result in a strong polar air mass reaching the US Gulf coast and by Tuesday. Powerful cold front will enter TX Monday evening and sweep quickly off the TX coast Tuesday. Temperatures ahead of the front will be in the 70’s and fall quickly into the 50’s and even 40’s behind the front. Moisture looks fairly meager with the boundary and while forcing will be strong, will not go any higher than 30% for a line of showers mainly toward the coast.

Gusty north winds and strong cold air advection will be in place Tuesday night into Wednesday. Some of the guidance is suggesting a period of about 12-24 hours of weak overrunning clouds as WSW mid-level flow brings moisture over top of the surface cold dome. Any cloud cover will have effects on daytime highs and overnight lows. It is possible that coastal locations could remain mostly cloudy on Wednesday with highs staying in the 50’s. Overrunning regime should end Thursday as deep polar high builds into TX. Clearing skies and lighter winds will result in near excellent cooling conditions Thursday night. With dewpoints in the upper 20’s to lower 30’s a few locations north of I-10 will likely fall to freezing. GFS guidance is showing a low of 29 for Conroe, 32 for College Station, and 35 for IAH Friday morning. Will need to watch this period very closely to see if more widespread freezing conditions are possible. Freezing conditions are likely Friday morning across much of central and north TX.

Cold air will remain locked in place into next week as downstream blocking in the upper air pattern over the Atlantic keeps cold fronts moving southward preventing air mass modification. Undercutting sub-tropical flow and position of the polar highs suggest a fairly potent short wave drops through the mean trough next weekend. With cold air locked in place at the surface mid level moisture will begin to overrun the cold dome on Saturday resulting in increasing clouds and by late afternoon showers developing from SW to NE across the region. Latest GFS run is very aggressive in moisture return late Saturday. Coastal troughing is possible Saturday night into Sunday with rain chances increasing as moisture pours into and over the cold air mass at the surface. This will likely result in very raw conditions by Sunday with highs likely not getting much above 50 with clouds and rainfall. There is some potential for P-type concerns over W/NW/N TX late next weekend where the air will be colder, but all rain for SE TX.

Departing storm system early next week potentially grabs a batch of arctic air over Canada and brings it southward down the plains keeping cold conditions in place through Thanksgiving week as downstream blocking remains in place over the Atlantic.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1011 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:06 pm

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I love these silly snow maps :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1012 Postby Portastorm » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:17 pm

:uarrow:

This board would explode if that happened! :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1013 Postby Wntrwthrguy » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:23 pm

Portastorm wrote::uarrow:

This board would explode if that happened! :lol:


So you're saying there's a chance? :P lol
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#1014 Postby TheProfessor » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:49 pm

I like that map, snow all the way down to the northern suburbs of Houston.
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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1015 Postby Tireman4 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:12 pm

Portastorm wrote::uarrow:

This board would explode if that happened! :lol:


Somehow, Wxman 57 is either biking right now ( I betcha he is!!) or not enthused at all at those maps...:)
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#1016 Postby TheProfessor » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:17 pm

:uarrow: I'm sure he is slightly enthused, remember he has a bet to win, I'm sure after he wins the real wxman57 will be back.
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#1017 Postby Tireman4 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:07 pm

I liked the bi polar Woman 57. He was a hoot. Conflicting forecasts....it was like watching a train wreck...
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#1018 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:14 pm

One thing about this outbreak, while this high is absolutely massive, especially for this time of year, but the trough on the 500 MB chart does 'dig' as far south as it could. Notice how the initial high shifts east after it hits the plains. Correct me if im wrong mets. It could be colder if the high crashed straight down into the central texas region but it doesnt make it that far. Like Ntx said though, the -EPO can provide surprises.

Ive noticed that a big low around the Aleutians will be key this year, this brings blocking to the Polar region.
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#1019 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:02 pm

Time to look upstream, aside from all the indexes (yes all of them) tanking lets have a look at source region. The coldest air at the surface in the Northern Hemisphere is currently settling into North Central/Western Canada.

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And here comes the Arctic High that is going to intensify

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Re: Texas Fall-2014

#1020 Postby aggiecutter » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:09 pm

Meteorologist Todd Warren of NBC 6 in Shreveport just posted this on his Facebook: The map is from his Future Cast Weather Model. The map is for lows Tuesday night the 17th of November.


Todd Warren NBC 6
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Still looking at a big blast of Arctic air that begins to arrive next weekend and will be firmly in place by the first of next week. Here is one model's depiction of Monday's high temperatures (30s & low 40s) and Tuesday's low temperatures (10s & 20s). Still looks like lots of rain on the way next weekend. We will have to watch the end of this event as some models indicate that winter precip will be possible. Stay Tuned!


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