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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#241 Postby Hammy » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:49 am

For what it's worth, Euro now shows development near the Florida Peninsula (this time as a tropical storm, rather than diffuse low/depression) in 144 hours.

edit: UK model has third consecutive run of showing something very similar to last Friday's Euro run, and also has a system in the Gulf at about 120 hours (similar to several other models)
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#242 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:51 am

Hammy wrote:For what it's worth, Euro now shows development near the Florida Peninsula (this time as a tropical storm, rather than diffuse low/depression) in 144 hours.

edit: UK model has third consecutive run of showing something very similar to last Friday's Euro run, and also has a system in the Gulf at about 120 hours (similar to several other models)

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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#243 Postby Nimbus » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:15 am

Convection picking up again off Pasco, guess the energy is trapped and the models are finally exploring development solutions.
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#244 Postby caneman » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:24 am

Pasco county 12 inches of rain, Pinellas at 8 inches of rain. This is out of control. Why is this stuck here? I may need to invest in an Ark
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#245 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:55 am

Hammy wrote:For what it's worth, Euro now shows development near the Florida Peninsula (this time as a tropical storm, rather than diffuse low/depression) in 144 hours.

edit: UK model has third consecutive run of showing something very similar to last Friday's Euro run, and also has a system in the Gulf at about 120 hours (similar to several other models)


Don't give up, one of these days the Euro and UKMET's medium range forecasts will come to fruition lol.
They have both been too aggressive with development in that range, proven fact.
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#246 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:56 am

You have to believe that something is eventually going to materialize down there. Lots of strong energy down in the Eastern GOM. Very impressive convection firing early this morning. Shear is still ongoing currently, but as pointed out by a few of you, the models are coming together with potential development this weekend near the Florida peninsula. Shear will let up eventually to allow at least for marginally conducive conductions by the latter portions of this week.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#247 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:33 am

But no mention by NHC.

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT TUE JUL 28 2015

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Tropical cyclone formation is not expected during the next 5 days.

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#248 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:47 am

northjaxpro wrote:You have to believe that something is eventually going to materialize down there. Lots of strong energy down in the Eastern GOM. Very impressive convection firing early this morning. Shear is still ongoing currently, but as pointed out by a few of you, the models are coming together with potential development this weekend near the Florida peninsula. Shear will let up eventually to allow at least for marginally conducive conductions by the latter portions of this week.

I personally think if this has a chance it is after it crosses the FL peninsula and emerges in the Atlantic off the Southeast Coast.
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#249 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:53 am

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northjaxpro wrote:You have to believe that something is eventually going to materialize down there. Lots of strong energy down in the Eastern GOM. Very impressive convection firing early this morning. Shear is still ongoing currently, but as pointed out by a few of you, the models are coming together with potential development this weekend near the Florida peninsula. Shear will let up eventually to allow at least for marginally conducive conductions by the latter portions of this week.

I personally think if this has a chance it is after it crosses the FL peninsula and emerges in the Atlantic off the Southeast Coast.


Yeah, possibly. The region off the SE U.S. seemingly is the only area in the North Atlantic basin where shear will not rip these storms apart this season. Definitely an El Nino ongoing right now for sure.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#250 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:20 am

:uarrow: IR satellite pixs can be deceiving, at the surface there is nothing but a weak & elongated surface circulation with most of it over land now, I hate to call it a circulation this morning because is so elongated & weak, is more like a trough this morning, the relentless shear kept it from organizing yesterday.
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#251 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:24 am

whatever it is, it is just bringing even more rain to Pinellas County this morning. I had to buy 6 bags of salt for the pool, and empty another 4 inches out of it this morning! That makes over a foot of rain through the last couple days! Insane to get this much heavy/consistent rain from not even an invest.
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#252 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:31 am

northjaxpro wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
northjaxpro wrote:You have to believe that something is eventually going to materialize down there. Lots of strong energy down in the Eastern GOM. Very impressive convection firing early this morning. Shear is still ongoing currently, but as pointed out by a few of you, the models are coming together with potential development this weekend near the Florida peninsula. Shear will let up eventually to allow at least for marginally conducive conductions by the latter portions of this week.

I personally think if this has a chance it is after it crosses the FL peninsula and emerges in the Atlantic off the Southeast Coast.


Yeah, possibly. The region off the SE U.S. seemingly is the only area in the North Atlantic basin where shear will not rip these storms apart this season. Definitely an El Nino ongoing right now for sure.

Supposedly El Niños DO NOT have much effect on upper level conditions in the GoM. Mostly effects of an El Niño are in the Deep Tropics(MDR, Caribbean).
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#253 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:38 am

:uarrow: Just goes to show that you do not have to have a classified tropical system to bring abundant moisture and for convergence to be maximized over a particular region. Steering is week in the Eastern GOM, and the surface trough axis stalled right across West Central Florida. Rich moisture in the south/southwest flow along and south of the axis converged right across that region, bringing the massive rain amounts.

Unfortunately, more rain for that region the next couple of days as the surface trough us very slow to move out.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#254 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:39 am

NDG wrote::uarrow: IR satellite pixs can be deceiving, at the surface there is nothing but a weak & elongated surface circulation with most of it over land now, I hate to call it a circulation this morning because is so elongated & weak, is more like a trough this morning, the relentless shear kept it from organizing yesterday.

According to Senior Meteorologist @ TWC Stu Ostro it met the qualifications of a TD very briefly yesterday morning. Who knows if it really was though.
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#255 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:41 am

northjaxpro wrote::uarrow: Just goes to show that you do not have to have a classified tropical system to bring abundant moisture and for convergence to be maximized over a particular region. Steering is week in the Eastern GOM, and the surface trough axis stalled right across West Central Florida. Rich moisture in the south/southwest flow along and south of the axis converged right across that region, bringing the massive rain amounts.

Unfortunately, more rain for that region the next couple of days as the surface trough us very slow to move out.

Would have been nice though if this low/trough was located 100 miles SE giving SE Florida their much needed Drought relief. The west coast of Florida doesn't need another drop! Unfortunately it looks like some more is to come.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#256 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:46 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
NDG wrote::uarrow: IR satellite pixs can be deceiving, at the surface there is nothing but a weak & elongated surface circulation with most of it over land now, I hate to call it a circulation this morning because is so elongated & weak, is more like a trough this morning, the relentless shear kept it from organizing yesterday.

According to Senior Meteorologist @ TWC Stu Ostro it met the qualifications of a TD very briefly yesterday morning. Who knows if it really was though.


One of the qualifications for a TD is persistence, but the definition is pretty loose at times so I'm not sure what to make of that analysis, but I will respectfully disagree. :)

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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#257 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:47 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
NDG wrote::uarrow: IR satellite pixs can be deceiving, at the surface there is nothing but a weak & elongated surface circulation with most of it over land now, I hate to call it a circulation this morning because is so elongated & weak, is more like a trough this morning, the relentless shear kept it from organizing yesterday.

According to Senior Meteorologist @ TWC Stu Ostro it met the qualifications of a TD very briefly yesterday morning. Who knows if it really was though.


I don't think it had a well defined LLC and I did not see any wind reports of TD force, I do not think it was quite there yet.
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#258 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:50 am

northjaxpro wrote::uarrow: Just goes to show that you do not have to have a classified tropical system to bring abundant moisture and for convergence to be maximized over a particular region. Steering is week in the Eastern GOM, and the surface trough axis stalled right across West Central Florida. Rich moisture in the south/southwest flow along and south of the axis converged right across that region, bringing the massive rain amounts.

Unfortunately, more rain for that region the next couple of days as the surface trough us very slow to move out.


I was just looking at last night's Euro run, it shows relentless rains for the Nature coast into parts of central and northern FL for at least the next 6-7 days with the trough not moving much at all.
I would love to see if anybody has a total rainfall forecast from the Euro for that area.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#259 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:59 am

The Florida west coast has begun FedExing water to Broward and Palm Beach counties. There is standing water on roads in areas of Fort Myers.
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Re: Weak low in NE Gulf of Mexico

#260 Postby NCSTORMMAN » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:01 am

spiral wrote:
NDG wrote::uarrow: IR satellite pixs can be deceiving, at the surface there is nothing but a weak & elongated surface circulation with most of it over land now, I hate to call it a circulation this morning because is so elongated & weak, is more like a trough this morning, the relentless shear kept it from organizing yesterday.



I don't believe the actual closed circulation is overland and yeah there's a trough it appears to be actually benefiting with outflow. This i think will be around for a few more days and the last ascat i eyeballed it was looking even better than the previous posted.



This ASCAT pass sure does say it is on land or was half on and half off.

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Edit: Also, looking at IR you can clearly see the low rotating over Florida and about half way through the state on its way to the Atlantic. Interestingly the intellicast future cast radar is still showing a system in the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow and it looks very tropical with a lot of twist. Does any Mets know what could cause that if the low is gone? Is it another low?
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