
EPAC: INVEST 91E
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Looks much better almost classifiable now but I can't find a well defined center on satellite.
ECMWF and GFS agree on little change in development structure wise for the next 4-5 days. Thereafter, the 0z GFS shows some development.
ECMWF and GFS agree on little change in development structure wise for the next 4-5 days. Thereafter, the 0z GFS shows some development.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1100 PM PDT FRI JUN 3 2016
For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:
1. Showers and thunderstorms associated with an area of low pressure
located about 1100 miles south-southwest of the southern tip of the
Baja California peninsula have increased and become somewhat better
organized today. Environmental conditions still appear generally
conducive for development, and a tropical depression could form
during the next few days while the low moves westward or west-
northwestward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...60 percent
Forecaster Kimberlain
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1100 PM PDT FRI JUN 3 2016
For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:
1. Showers and thunderstorms associated with an area of low pressure
located about 1100 miles south-southwest of the southern tip of the
Baja California peninsula have increased and become somewhat better
organized today. Environmental conditions still appear generally
conducive for development, and a tropical depression could form
during the next few days while the low moves westward or west-
northwestward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...60 percent
Forecaster Kimberlain
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Looks like dry air is affecting it somehow. Only other reason to explain why it cant maintain or sustain strong convection. Mid level shear doesn't seem to be the culprit. No flattened edges are noted on convection areas.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
GFS/ECMWF have basically abandoned development altogether in their latest runs.
On the flip side, the UKMET makes this stronger than ever before. Global models have a horrible handle on this system it seems.
On the flip side, the UKMET makes this stronger than ever before. Global models have a horrible handle on this system it seems.
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Yellow Evan wrote:GFS/ECMWF have basically abandoned development altogether in their latest runs.
On the flip side, the UKMET makes this stronger than ever before. Global models have a horrible handle on this system it seems.
Wasn't the Euro the one that basically barely developed 91L if at all? If so, I would say it has handled the system the best out of all the models.
The further west this system moves the more it will start encountering UL shear, so it is now or never for this system to develop, IMO.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
NDG wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:GFS/ECMWF have basically abandoned development altogether in their latest runs.
On the flip side, the UKMET makes this stronger than ever before. Global models have a horrible handle on this system it seems.
Wasn't the Euro the one that basically barely developed 91L if at all? If so, I would say it has handled the system the best out of all the models.
The further west this system moves the more it will start encountering UL shear, so it is now or never for this system to develop, IMO.
Hi-res Euro showed this becoming a borderline Hurricane twice.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
500 AM PDT SAT JUN 4 2016
For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:
An area of low pressure located about 1100 miles south-southwest of
the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula is moving westward
at 10 to 15 mph. The associated shower and thunderstorm activity
has changed little in organization, however, some development of
this system is still possible and a tropical depression could form
during the next few days while the low continues westward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...60 percent
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Forecaster Cangialosi
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
500 AM PDT SAT JUN 4 2016
For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:
An area of low pressure located about 1100 miles south-southwest of
the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula is moving westward
at 10 to 15 mph. The associated shower and thunderstorm activity
has changed little in organization, however, some development of
this system is still possible and a tropical depression could form
during the next few days while the low continues westward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...60 percent
$$
Forecaster Cangialosi
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Enigmatic is the word mr Blake uses to describe this system that has been like forever trying to develop.
EricBlake12 · 3m3 minutes ago
Large convective burst associated w/the enigmatic #EP91- is this finally the kick it needs to form? Tough system...

EricBlake12 · 3m3 minutes ago
Large convective burst associated w/the enigmatic #EP91- is this finally the kick it needs to form? Tough system...

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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
NDG wrote:
Wasn't the Euro the one that basically barely developed 91L if at all? If so, I would say it has handled the system the best out of all the models.
The further west this system moves the more it will start encountering UL shear, so it is now or never for this system to develop, IMO.
None of the models to this point had really done much. It was later on that the GFS and sometimes ECMWF were bullish with 91E. Regardless, what I mean when I say they've had a horrible handle is that they haven't initialized too well.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Shear may be picking up again looking at visible (seeing more of a bursting pattern, but it might be the invest's way of keeping the dry air out) and CMISS suggest that the system will be encountering strong mid-level shear soon, but the SHIPS output insists that shear will relax and the ECMWF shows some improvement in organization in the next 48 hours.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
The best the invest has looked so far. Can it develop though?
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Models had trouble picking up mid level shear last year as well.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
It would be pretty close to being the furthest westward developing TC on record within the June 1 -10 timeframe.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/6_1_10_nhc.png

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/6_1_10_nhc.png
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Chances of developing go down.
An area of low pressure located about 1100 miles south-southwest
of the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula is moving
westward at 10 to 15 mph. Although the associated showers and
thunderstorms have increased, the circulation of the system is
elongated and the center is not well defined. Some development of
this system is still possible and a tropical depression could form
during the next couple of days while the low continues westward.
After that time, environmental conditions are expected to become
less conducive for development.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent
An area of low pressure located about 1100 miles south-southwest
of the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula is moving
westward at 10 to 15 mph. Although the associated showers and
thunderstorms have increased, the circulation of the system is
elongated and the center is not well defined. Some development of
this system is still possible and a tropical depression could form
during the next couple of days while the low continues westward.
After that time, environmental conditions are expected to become
less conducive for development.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Yellow Evan wrote:If you ask me, this invest is classifiable.
On infared it may look good but at the surface it remains very disorganized. Take a look, give it up, is not 2015.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 91E
Dry air is about to get really bad for this system. Good news is that in the future storms traversing this part of the basin won't have to deal with such dry air.
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* EAST PACIFIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE, OHC AVAILABLE *
* INVEST EP912016 06/04/16 18 UTC *
TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
V (KT) NO LAND 25 25 25 25 27 32 35 34 31 28 28 26 24
V (KT) LAND 25 25 25 25 27 32 35 34 31 28 28 26 24
V (KT) LGEM 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 24 22 20 18 16 DIS
Storm Type TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP
SHEAR (KT) 7 5 3 5 4 4 7 9 12 8 6 5 6
SHEAR ADJ (KT) 2 6 9 5 4 2 -3 -4 0 4 5 3 -2
SHEAR DIR 83 127 131 136 154 136 216 259 262 244 281 227 246
SST (C) 29.1 29.1 28.9 28.6 28.3 28.1 27.5 27.1 26.9 26.5 26.3 26.3 26.5
POT. INT. (KT) 155 156 154 152 149 147 140 135 132 126 122 123 125
200 MB T (C) -52.0 -51.7 -52.1 -52.6 -52.6 -52.6 -52.8 -52.6 -52.8 -53.0 -53.4 -53.4 -53.7
200 MB VXT (C) 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.1 0.1
TH_E DEV (C) 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 5 5
700-500 MB RH 58 56 52 49 45 42 38 40 42 46 44 44 41
MODEL VTX (KT) 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 7 7 6 7 6 7
850 MB ENV VOR 34 37 43 44 44 50 56 52 48 63 55 54 48
200 MB DIV 34 46 44 34 36 48 11 10 8 13 25 25 8
700-850 TADV 0 2 3 1 0 -1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 0
LAND (KM) 1684 1709 1761 1828 1901 2119 2339 2487 2331 2199 2141 2113 2100
LAT (DEG N) 10.7 11.0 11.3 11.5 11.7 11.8 12.1 12.4 12.8 13.3 13.5 13.2 12.8
LONG(DEG W) 119.4 120.2 121.3 122.5 123.9 127.0 130.0 132.3 134.1 135.2 135.7 136.1 136.4
STM SPEED (KT) 8 10 12 13 15 15 13 10 7 4 2 2 3
HEAT CONTENT 51 47 48 43 33 13 18 13 10 8 6 5 6
FORECAST TRACK FROM TABM INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):290/ 7 CX,CY: -6/ 2
T-12 MAX WIND: 25 PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB): 585 (MEAN=586)
GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 50-200 KM RAD: 34.7 (MEAN=14.5)
% GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C 50-200 KM RAD: 50.0 (MEAN=65.0)
PRELIM RI PROB (DV .GE. 30 KT IN 24 HR): 1.5
INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
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SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 0. -1. -1. -2.
SST POTENTIAL 0. 0. 0. 2. 7. 14. 20. 25. 27. 29. 29. 28.
VERTICAL SHEAR MAG 1. 2. 3. 4. 6. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 8. 9.
VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ 0. -1. -2. -2. -2. -2. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
VERTICAL SHEAR DIR 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 1. -3. -5. -8. -10. -11. -12.
PERSISTENCE 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1.
200/250 MB TEMP. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -2. -2. -3. -3. -3. -3.
THETA_E EXCESS 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -2. -3. -3. -4. -4. -4.
700-500 MB RH 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -2. -3. -4. -4. -5. -5. -6.
MODEL VTX TENDENCY 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -4. -4. -5. -4. -5. -4.
850 MB ENV VORTICITY 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
200 MB DIVERGENCE 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
850-700 T ADVEC 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1.
ZONAL STORM MOTION 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. 0. 0. 0. 0.
STEERING LEVEL PRES 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -2. -2. -2.
GOES PREDICTORS -1. -2. -2. -3. -3. -4. -4. -4. -4. -3. -4. -4.
OCEAN HEAT CONTENT 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL CHANGE 0. 0. 0. 2. 7. 10. 9. 6. 3. 3. 1. -1.
CURRENT MAX WIND (KT): 25. LAT, LON: 10.7 119.4
** 2015 E. Pacific RI INDEX EP912016 INVEST 06/04/16 18 UTC **
(SHIPS-RII PREDICTOR TABLE for 30 KT OR MOREMAXIMUM WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24-h)
Predictor Value RI Predictor Range Scaled Value(0-1) % Contribution
12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): 0.0 -22.0 to 38.5 0.36 999.0
POT = MPI-VMAX (KT) : 128.1 40.3 to 144.5 0.84 999.0
HEAT CONTENT (KJ/cm2) : 44.4 0.0 to 75.9 0.58 999.0
STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP : 34.7 38.9 to 2.1 0.11 999.0
850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) : 5.0 18.9 to 1.4 0.80 999.0
MAXIMUM WIND (kt) : 25.0 22.5 to 132.0 0.07 999.0
D200 (10**7s-1) : 38.8 -11.0 to 135.3 0.34 999.0
BL DRY-AIR FLUX (w/m2): 170.8 638.0 to -68.2 0.66 999.0
2nd PC OF IR BR TEMP : 9999.0 2.1 to -1.7 999.00 999.0
% AREA WITH TPW <45 mm: 0.0 81.4 to 0.0 1.00 999.0
SHIPS Prob RI for 20kt/ 12hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 6.3%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 25kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean (12.9%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 30kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 8.6%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 35kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 5.8%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 40kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 4.1%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 45kt/ 36hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 7.1%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 55kt/ 48hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 5.9%)
Matrix of RI probabilities
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RI (kt / h) | 20/12 | 25/24 | 30/24 | 35/24 | 40/24 | 45/36 | 55/48
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SHIPS-RII: 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0%
Logistic: 1.9% 5.5% 8.9% 1.5% 0.6% 8.0% 6.5%
Bayesian: 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1%
Consensus: 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0%
## ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) EP912016 INVEST 06/04/16 18 UTC ##
## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3 ##
## AHI= 0 (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
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