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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#181 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:25 pm

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
500 PM PDT TUE JUN 14 2016

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

A broad low pressure system, located about 400 miles south of
Manzanillo, Mexico, continues to produce disorganized cloudiness
and shower activity. However, environmental conditions appear to
be conducive for slow development of this system, and a tropical
depression could form later this week while the disturbance moves
west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...60 percent

$$
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#182 Postby Kingarabian » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:37 pm

NHC bullish? :uarrow:
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#183 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:46 pm

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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#184 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:06 am

12z EPS ensembles strongly agree on something in the 12-15 day time frame 700 miles west from Mexico. Should pop up on the full res 10 day ECMWF fairly soon.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#185 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:50 am

There actually has been a plethora of low pressure areas in the EPAC. There just doesn't seem to be enough fuel to to go hand in hand with these lighters (low pressure areas).

Invests 91E and 93E both were in warm waters, favorable shear environments.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#186 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:53 pm

Philip Klotzbach ‏@philklotzbach · 5m5 minutes ago

93E looks less organized. NE Pac has good chance to set record for latest 1st named TC. Current record 6/21 (2009)

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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#187 Postby NDG » Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:46 pm

Yeap, a very good chance of setting a record, there's just not much going on over there over the next 5-10 days.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#188 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:15 pm

cycloneye wrote:Philip Klotzbach ‏@philklotzbach · 5m5 minutes ago

93E looks less organized. NE Pac has good chance to set record for latest 1st named TC. Current record 6/21 (2009)



Not counting Pali, this is a lock at this point.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#189 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:38 pm

I'm still betting on an average to above average season. La-Nina doesn't seem to be on its way 100%. Unless whatever happened to the Atlantic hurricane season in 2013 happens in the EPAC...
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#190 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:03 pm

Kingarabian wrote:I'm still betting on an average to above average season. La-Nina doesn't seem to be on its way 100%. Unless whatever happened to the Atlantic hurricane season in 2013 happens in the EPAC...


The AHS fell apart in 2013 due to the AMO tanking. That isn't happening here.

At this point, an average season is reasonable in terms of named storm count with below average ACE. Nothing too different from 1988. +PDO has remained quite firm, waters are some of the warmest in history, and wind shear is fairly low and should remain at or below average for much of the season. Hopefully 91/3 E cleared out the dry air. The CFS lowers shear substantially in August, September, and October. With that said, the fact we were unable to get a tropical storm last MJO pulse is concerning and I think La Nina will get going sooner rather than later, but I'm willing to give it a few more weeks before substantially lowering expectations.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#191 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:28 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:I'm still betting on an average to above average season. La-Nina doesn't seem to be on its way 100%. Unless whatever happened to the Atlantic hurricane season in 2013 happens in the EPAC...


The AHS fell apart in 2013 due to the AMO tanking. That isn't happening here.

At this point, an average season is reasonable in terms of named storm count with below average ACE. Nothing too different from 1988. +PDO has remained quite firm, waters are some of the warmest in history, and wind shear is fairly low and should remain at or below average for much of the season. Hopefully 91/3 E cleared out the dry air. The CFS lowers shear substantially in August, September, and October. With that said, the fact we were unable to get a tropical storm last MJO pulse is concerning and I think La Nina will get going sooner rather than later, but I'm willing to give it a few more weeks before substantially lowering expectations.


That MJO pulse turned out to be weaker than expected IMO. Development that far west this early is not favorable.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#192 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:35 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
The AHS fell apart in 2013 due to the AMO tanking. That isn't happening here.

At this point, an average season is reasonable in terms of named storm count with below average ACE. Nothing too different from 1988. +PDO has remained quite firm, waters are some of the warmest in history, and wind shear is fairly low and should remain at or below average for much of the season. Hopefully 91/3 E cleared out the dry air. The CFS lowers shear substantially in August, September, and October. With that said, the fact we were unable to get a tropical storm last MJO pulse is concerning and I think La Nina will get going sooner rather than later, but I'm willing to give it a few more weeks before substantially lowering expectations.


That MJO pulse turned out to be weaker than expected IMO. Development that far west this early is not favorable.


I felt the past MJO pulse not producing anything was mainly a timing issue. There was no disturbance 300-400 miles off the coast of Mexico tat tends to benefit the most from early season MJO pulses.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#193 Postby NDG » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:41 pm

:uarrow: History tells us that late starting seasons over the EPAC end up with below average ACE.
Regarding SSTs, the waters are not as warm as this time last year between Baja and Hawaii.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#194 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:13 pm

NDG wrote::uarrow: History tells us that late starting seasons over the EPAC end up with below average ACE.
Regarding SSTs, the waters are not as warm as this time last year between Baja and Hawaii.


Near the equator yes.

Waters north of the equator and near Hawaii are warmer this time of the year than last year.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#195 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:37 pm

NDG wrote:Regarding SSTs, the waters are not as warm as this time last year between Baja and Hawaii.


That's not saying much. SST's were the warmest on record last year. They have been warmer than any other year on record aside from last year, however.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#196 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:54 pm

GFS has a TS in 8 days, June25th.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#197 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:26 am

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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#198 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:04 am

Euro has a closed low 10 days out.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#199 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:51 am

6z and 12z GFS have zlich.

0z EPS has less long range support for a system than the 12z.
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Re: 2016 EPAC Season

#200 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:18 pm

0z NASA and 12z EPS in good agreement on action of some sort of system off the West Coast of Mexico 9-10+ days from now. Timeframe slowly moving down.
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