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Re: Seasonal Indicators (Beyond Day 15): Instability / SST's / MSLP / Steering / Sal

#921 Postby ninel conde » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:32 pm



I would say its dustier than normal mainly because the high is stronger and further south than normal
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#922 Postby stormwise » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:22 pm

Agree with cycloneye, looks the norm. It just nature doing it fertilizing job.
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#923 Postby Hammy » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:28 pm

Question to the pro-mets or others who may have more experience watching the seasonal model forecasts.

http://i.imgur.com/fDqLLxZ.png Shear forecast
http://i.imgur.com/RrhLrDA.png Rainfall forecast
http://i.imgur.com/NGDxMPw.png Pressure

Given the isobars indicate high pressure, and given below normal shear, would the rainfall and pressures more than likely indicate potential storm tracks next month rather than being trough-induced?
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#924 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:42 pm

‏@BigJoeBastardi
JMA 3 month mean, esp Sept and Oct,big hurricane hit pattern 500 mb ridge! Ridge over eastern Can,look out below

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#925 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:19 pm

‏@BigJoeBastardi Old timers would call 500 mb ridge in hurricane season over NW atl "newfoundland wheel" would direct storm track at US.
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#926 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:56 pm

Based on the Japanese model for the peak of hurricane season the eastern GOM and Florida may have to keep an eye on this pattern possibility

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#927 Postby ninel conde » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:35 am

Lets hope the se canada low is replaced with the newfoundland wheel. of course several years ago JB got excited about it and it only lasted a few days and reverted back to the same old same old. We will see.
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#928 Postby Steve » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:09 am

ninel conde wrote:Lets hope the se canada low is replaced with the newfoundland wheel. of course several years ago JB got excited about it and it only lasted a few days and reverted back to the same old same old. We will see.


I know what you mean, but I'm certainly not going to be hoping for mid-level or upper-level blocking in the mid-Atlantic or Northeast US during the heart of the season.
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#929 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:48 pm

Many for sure (Including me) will not like this. I see below normal shear in the subtropics so maybe the activity will be there.

 https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/752539015203532800


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#930 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:11 pm

At the same time cfsv2 has below normal shear in most of the Carib and BOC (southern gulf). I would look to there for development.
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#931 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:35 pm

Dr Klotzbach didn't post the other side of MDR and as Ntxw said,looks good for development in the peak months.

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#932 Postby srainhoutx » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:49 pm

The CFSv2 also suggests lowering pressures across the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico during the August, September and October timeframe.
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#933 Postby gatorcane » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:02 pm

Does anybody have any comparison data between this summer so far and previous summers on Bermuda High strength? The Bermuda High seems especially strong so far this summer (at least the last couple of weeks). Shower and thunderstorm activity across South Florida is consistently getting pushed well inland and to the SW coast of Florida each day. Looking at the ECMWF, that seems like quite a 500MB ridge in place through the next week at least:

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#934 Postby JaxGator » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:53 pm

It's a nice day to be at the beach right now along the East Coast from North Carolina to Florida and along the Gulf Coast as ocean temps are very warm. Mostly mid-80s-90 degrees. The shelf waters are also warm and the heat content is really deep and climbing still. Joe Bastardi mentioned this morning (and before) how systems initially coming from the east "could really crank" as they tapped into the fuel out there now.
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#935 Postby HURRICANELONNY » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:53 pm

I think it's pretty normal for the Bermuda High to be that dominant in July. I'm wondering how to get past years SAL images for July. :roll:
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#936 Postby JaxGator » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:01 pm

HURRICANELONNY wrote:I think it's pretty normal for the Bermuda High to be that dominant in July. I'm wondering how to get past years SAL images for July. :roll:


It is dry out there for sure and it spans a large swath of the basin but according to hurricanetrack's youtube outlook, most of the really dry air is further north near the Med.
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#937 Postby ninel conde » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:44 pm

cycloneye wrote:Dr Klotzbach didn't post the other side of MDR and as Ntxw said,looks good for development in the peak months.

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Wont matter if nothing can survive to get to those areas and if a big east coast trof is firmly in place.. I think the east pac will dump alot of shear everywhere. Time will tell.
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#938 Postby ninel conde » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:48 pm

JaxGator wrote:It's a nice day to be at the beach right now along the East Coast from North Carolina to Florida and along the Gulf Coast as ocean temps are very warm. Mostly mid-80s-90 degrees. The shelf waters are also warm and the heat content is really deep and climbing still. Joe Bastardi mentioned this morning (and before) how systems initially coming from the east "could really crank" as they tapped into the fuel out there now.


He says that most every year. SST's dont count for much if everything else is unfavorable
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#939 Postby ninel conde » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:07 pm

cycloneye wrote:Many for sure (Including me) will not like this. I see below normal shear in the subtropics so maybe the activity will be there.

 https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/752539015203532800




Very possible. early season slop storms followed by peak season subtropical activity is a classic el nino slow season. Its quite likely that TW's wont be able to survive the bone dry air and shear until they get way west. Good rule of thumb is if something isnt already well developed by the time it enters the carib its not going to do much till the east pac. So far, im not seeing anything to make me think florida will break its incredible streak or that the US as a whole will break its amazing non major streak
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#940 Postby Alyono » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:24 pm

more soundbites, Ninel. Furthermore, they are dead wrong

Danielle was NOT a slop system. It simply ran into land before the core became well established. It was fairly symmetric.

Second, if something is not organized by the time it reaches the east Caribbean, it won't until the EPAC. That is dead wrong. If what you said had any validity, we wouldn't see TROPICAL WAVES (such as what formed into Danielle last month and Bill last year) start organizing in the western Caribbean and develop in the Gulf. Now, maybe pre university geography in Indo is not the same as here... but I am sure that the Western Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico are not part of the Eastern Pacific
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