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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#961 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:59 pm

12Z ECMWF out through 48 hours and is much weaker than 00Z. TS into Belize.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Advisories

#962 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:59 pm

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TROPICAL STORM EARL INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 1A
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052016
200 PM EDT TUE AUG 02 2016

...EARL A LITTLE STRONGER...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...16.3N 80.8W
ABOUT 210 MI...340 KM S OF GRAND CAYMAN
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 270 DEGREES AT 22 MPH...35 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

NONE

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* PUNTA ALLEN, MEXICO, SOUTHWARD TO THE BELIZE/GUATEMALA BORDER
* CABO GRACIAS A DIOS WESTWARD TO THE HONDURAS/GUATEMALA BORDER
INCLUDING THE BAY ISLANDS

A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* EAST COAST OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA FROM PUNTA ALLEN, MEXICO,
SOUTHWARD TO THE BELIZE/GUATEMALA BORDER

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* THE CAYMAN ISLANDS

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN 36 HOURS.

A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE
WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. A WATCH IS TYPICALLY ISSUED 48 HOURS
BEFORE THE ANTICIPATED FIRST OCCURRENCE OF TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE
WINDS, CONDITIONS THAT MAKE OUTSIDE PREPARATIONS DIFFICULT OR
DANGEROUS.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA, PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
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AT 200 PM EDT (1800 UTC), THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM EARL WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 16.3 NORTH, LONGITUDE 80.8 WEST. EARL IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 22 MPH (35 KM/H), AND THIS MOTION
WITH A DECREASE IN FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT
COUPLE OF DAYS. ON THIS TRACK, THE CENTER OF EARL WILL BE MOVING
VERY CLOSE TO THE NORTH COAST OF HONDURAS LATE TONIGHT AND
WEDNESDAY AND APPROACH BELIZE AND THE YUCATAN PENINSULA LATE
WEDNESDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 50 MPH (85 KM/H)
WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST
BEFORE EARL REACHES THE YUCATAN PENINSULA.

TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 80 MILES (130 KM)
FROM THE CENTER.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE ESTIMATED FROM AN AIR FORCE PLANE WAS
1002 MB (29.59 INCHES).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
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WIND: TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO FIRST REACH THE
COAST OF HONDURAS BY LATE TONIGHT, MAKING OUTSIDE PREPARATIONS
DIFFICULT OR DANGEROUS, AND WILL REACH MEXICO AND BELIZE WITHIN THE
WARNING AREA BY WEDNESDAY NIGHT. HURRICANE CONDITIONS COULD BEGIN
IN MEXICO AND BELIZE WITHIN THE HURRICANE WATCH AREA WEDNESDAY
NIGHT.

RAINFALL: EARL IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE AN ADDITIONAL 2 TO 4 INCHES
OF RAINFALL OVER JAMAICA. TOTAL RAIN ACCUMULATIONS OF 8 TO 12 INCHES
ARE EXPECTED OVER PORTIONS OF BELIZE, HONDURAS, GUATEMALA, AND THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA OF MEXICO, WITH POSSIBLE ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS
OF 16 INCHES IN MEXICO AND BELIZE. THESE RAINS COULD RESULT IN
LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.

STORM SURGE: A STORM SURGE WILL RAISE WATER LEVELS BY AS MUCH AS 2
TO 4 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS ALONG THE IMMEDIATE COAST OF
BELIZE AND THE EASTERN YUCATAN PENINSULA TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THE
CENTER MAKES LANDFALL. NEAR THE COAST, THE SURGE WILL BE ACCOMPANIED
BY LARGE AND DAMAGING WAVES.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 500 PM EDT.

$$
FORECASTER AVILA/BROWN
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#963 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:00 pm

SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...16.3N 80.8W
ABOUT 210 MI...340 KM S OF GRAND CAYMAN
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 270 DEGREES AT 22 MPH...35 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#964 Postby JaxGator » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:01 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Alyono wrote:
JaxGator wrote:Recon measured 999-998mbs on a recent pass:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co3xc6aW8AY0ZyA.jpg


not a valid reading as it was measured during a climb


officially the last pass was 1002 mb

and NHC raised winds to 50mph as expected.


Thank you. They must have been climbing to 10,000ft. Yep, it's stronger. Question is how strong can it get before landfall.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#965 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:08 pm

gatorcane wrote:12Z ECMWF out through 48 hours and is much weaker than 00Z. TS into Belize.

Vorticity looks stronger after landfall so maybe it ramps up quickly just prior to landfall which the run does not show?

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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#966 Postby weathaguyry » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:12 pm

I think that it can reach minimal hurricane strength before landfall on the Yucatan, I'm not sure how strong it can get over the BOC because i'm not sure exactly where it will emerge, 65mph for Earl's peak seems too low, considering the new recon data, and that it will have the rest of today and most of tomorrow over extremely warm waters :D
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#967 Postby SouthDadeFish » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:13 pm

I don't really think the system is strengthening. Pressure has maintained at 1002 mb between the three passes. Winds only went up because the storm was not fully sampled at the 16Z advisory. The system is still very ragged on satellite imagery. The convective pattern needs to become more symmetric for significant strengthening to occur.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#968 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:15 pm

12z Euro doesn't even emerge Earl into the BoC anymore.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#969 Postby Alyono » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:21 pm

EC has about 997mb at landfall

Shows major weakening during the next 12 hours before it reintensifies again
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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#970 Postby Yellow Evan » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:23 pm

Don't be surprised if Earl doesn't make it in the BOC for very long, if at all, ECMWF buries it, GFS has it moving in briefly and they have a northerly bias for these sort of systems. The UKMET is even more south.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#971 Postby Tireman4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:24 pm

srainhoutx wrote:
tarheelprogrammer wrote:Looks like LLC is about to become exposed. Classical Atlantic storm for the past 11 years for the most part. It keeps trying to fire convection but its speed and the wind shear around it are hindering it.


Wrong. How quickly we forget the 2008 Season.


Are you bringing up the I word? LOL
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#972 Postby Patrick99 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:25 pm

Looks a bit messy. I feel like we've seen this movie before with fast-moving systems in the Caribbean in July and early August, they often have a hard time consolidating and really wrapping up. If this was W @ 15mph instead of W @ 22mph, I bet we'd be looking at something different.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#973 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:37 pm

Next recon is on its way.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Recon - Discussion

#974 Postby BZSTORM » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:40 pm

what time is the second recon flight due to depart in EST please still haven't figured out zulu time in relation to EST (which is currently 2 hours ahead of Belize) many thanks
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Re: ATL: EARL - Recon - Discussion

#975 Postby Tireman4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:43 pm

Sandy (HURAKAN) is on one of the recons going in
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#976 Postby Tireman4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:44 pm

Sandy (HURAKAN) is on it...I hope he posts pictures..
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#977 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:46 pm

Tireman4 wrote:Sandy (HURAKAN) is on it...I hope he posts pictures..


Yep.im sure he will if not during then after. :)


Convection firing right over center. low level cloud deck out ahead of it is starting to thicken could see a good sized convective burst
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Re: ATL: EARL - Recon - Discussion

#978 Postby BZSTORM » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:56 pm

Tireman4 wrote:Sandy (HURAKAN) is on one of the recons going in

now that is cool I remember Hurakan's posts when I first lurked here before getting the balls up to register and ask questions.
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Re: ATL: EARL - Models

#979 Postby BZSTORM » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:02 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
gatorcane wrote:12Z ECMWF out through 48 hours and is much weaker than 00Z. TS into Belize.

Vorticity looks stronger after landfall so maybe it ramps up quickly just prior to landfall which the run does not show?

Image

if it comes in a little more south near Gails Point than the GFS then it will be like 24 October 2010 Hurricane Richard which ramped up "technically" on land as the coastline has lagoon swamp shallow and at this time of year HOT, Model could be using that archive data to show something similar occurring in the run
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Re: ATL: EARL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#980 Postby TexasF6 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:09 pm

Looks like 3-4 centers of ciruculation in this storm. One NW of Jamacia looks interesting. Near naked swirls SW corner, two more near the bursts of convection. Which will win? Bears Watching...







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