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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2201 Postby Kazmit » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:16 pm

Amazing imagery, thanks for sharing. :uarrow:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2202 Postby 1900hurricane » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:19 pm

Eye temp has broken positive.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2203 Postby Evil Jeremy » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:20 pm

For those not following in the models thread, the GFS just took another leap towards Florida. In fact, this has been the trend of the GFS over the past three runs:

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2204 Postby OntarioEggplant » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:21 pm

I would not be surprised if during the diurnal max that a solid core of exceptionally cold cloud tape fully encircles the eye.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2205 Postby TimeZone » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:25 pm

OntarioEggplant wrote:I would not be surprised if during the diurnal max that a solid core of exceptionally cold cloud tape fully encircles the eye.


D-min and D-max have very minimal effects on storms as intense as this.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2206 Postby ozonepete » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:27 pm

tatertawt24 wrote:Image

Blacks starting to wrap around the eye on AVN. I think I may have been the first to make the Felix comparison last night? :lol:


Clearly an eyewall replacement is under way. Outer eyewall enclosing a shrinking pinhole eye. This will temporarily stop intensification but after it completes watch out...
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2207 Postby MaineWeatherNut » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:30 pm

ozonepete wrote:
tatertawt24 wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/14L/imagery/avn0-lalo.gif

Blacks starting to wrap around the eye on AVN. I think I may have been the first to make the Felix comparison last night? :lol:


Clearly an eyewall replacement is under way. Outer eyewall enclosing a shrinking pinhole eye. This will temporarily stop intensification but after it completes watch out...


How can there already be an ERC when the eye JUST became completely visible really. I think it's just getting going.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2208 Postby TimeZone » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:31 pm

EWRC already? Maybe if Jamaica is lucky we'll have another this thing will Hurricane Bill itself. :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2209 Postby MaineWeatherNut » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:34 pm

AF Recon is at Matthew preping for it's first pass... Let's find out how much more Matthew has intensified since the NOAA flight left!
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2210 Postby 1900hurricane » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:35 pm

I doubt eyewall replacement has begun. Nothing from any of the recent microwave passes or any of the data from the recent recon mission even hinted at one about to begin.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2212 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:37 pm

ozonepete wrote:
tatertawt24 wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/14L/imagery/avn0-lalo.gif

Blacks starting to wrap around the eye on AVN. I think I may have been the first to make the Felix comparison last night? :lol:


Clearly an eyewall replacement is under way. Outer eyewall enclosing a shrinking pinhole eye. This will temporarily stop intensification but after it completes watch out...


I tink its a little to quick for an ERC. the last radar from the previous recon showed nothing at all indicating one. no outer wind max in the data either. we just have a contracting intensifying TC>
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2213 Postby Raebie » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:38 pm

1900hurricane wrote:I doubt eyewall replacement has begun. Nothing from any of the recent microwave passes or any of the data from the recent recon mission even hinted at one about to begin.


I think it has. Poor Jamaica.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2214 Postby ozonepete » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:40 pm

MaineWeatherNut wrote:
ozonepete wrote:
tatertawt24 wrote:Blacks starting to wrap around the eye on AVN. I think I may have been the first to make the Felix comparison last night? :lol:


Clearly an eyewall replacement is under way. Outer eyewall enclosing a shrinking pinhole eye. This will temporarily stop intensification but after it completes watch out...


How can there already be an ERC when the eye JUST became completely visible really. I think it's just getting going.


Because it just finished an incredibly fast RI that had it as a cat 2 this morning with the eye just becoming visible to going all the way up to a cat 4 by 5PM. ERCs usually don't occur until the TC is at cat 4 or 5 so as a cat 4 right now this is actually more than ready to do one. I could be wrong but after watching hurricanes for over 3 decades I'm pretty sure I see an ERC starting.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2215 Postby Hurrilurker » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Soonercane wrote:I know someone flying into Kingston tomorrow and staying until Tuesday. What kind of impacts will they experience there most likely (obviously it depends on the track)?

If they're smart, they will cancel that trip. Kingston looks like it's going to get hammered, you don't want to be anywhere near there a few days from now! Even if they make it through the storm OK (at the very least, they probably won't have electricity for a while), the airport and flights north (back to the States) are likely to be jacked up for a while and there's a good chance of getting stranded there.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2216 Postby OntarioEggplant » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:42 pm

ozonepete wrote:
tatertawt24 wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/14L/imagery/avn0-lalo.gif

Blacks starting to wrap around the eye on AVN. I think I may have been the first to make the Felix comparison last night? :lol:


Clearly an eyewall replacement is under way. Outer eyewall enclosing a shrinking pinhole eye. This will temporarily stop intensification but after it completes watch out...


There has to be an outer eyewall to replace it with. Outer eye walls choke off the vorticity and inflow to the inner eyewall which collapses and dies. Recon has yet to show evidence of an outer eyewall forming.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2217 Postby 1900hurricane » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:43 pm

Cloud tops are already responding to the sun going down.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2218 Postby OntarioEggplant » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:44 pm

TimeZone wrote:
OntarioEggplant wrote:I would not be surprised if during the diurnal max that a solid core of exceptionally cold cloud tape fully encircles the eye.


D-min and D-max have very minimal effects on storms as intense as this.


This is not true. There is clear waxing and waning of cloud top temperatures during such periods.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2219 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:46 pm

1900hurricane wrote:Cloud tops are already responding to the sun going down.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 302215.jpg


That looks like a T7.0 on the Dvorak scale to me.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#2220 Postby NotoSans » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:47 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
1900hurricane wrote:Cloud tops are already responding to the sun going down.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 302215.jpg


That looks like a T7.0 on the Dvorak scale to me.


I would go with a T6.5 right now, but I won't be surprised if the next recon pass finds a borderline cat 5.
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