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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3741 Postby wxmann_91 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:44 pm

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ConvergenceZone wrote:This is slightly off-topic but I'm always hearing about some of the really bad models from year-to-year, and if performance of these models is so bad(which I agree with by the way),why do they keep using them year after year?? why not either improve on them or just get rid of them completely. I just don't understand that.


It's easy just to say "oh let's improve the models" but it's hard to actually implement that.

TC's are small on global scales. To accurately depict a TC you must first improve the resolution. But with global models you can only go so small because greater resolution means a greater amount of computing power/time to create the output.

After you improve the resolution, you have to figure out how to model thunderstorms. For the most part, thunderstorm development is random. You can't say thunderstorms will develop at exactly X location at Y time. Models have to approximate the randomness of thunderstorms, which is imprecise and are a big source of error for TC forecasting. Because TC-level thunderstorm development can alter the surrounding environment, and TC's themselves undergo fluctuations due to thunderstorms (think ERC).


I think in 2-3 years, the ECMWF will be able to resolve storms explicitly. They need to drop their resolution to 5 km or less. At those high resolutions, the models can handle convection without any parameterization. That improvement is going to be the next breaktrhough in track and intensity forecasting


Will be interesting to see that happen. Improvements in computing power/technology are probably the number one contributor to improvements in models (simply because we can go higher in resolution).
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3742 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:44 pm

Slower @ 48hrs:

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3743 Postby adam0983 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:45 pm

That's not good news for Florida.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3744 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:45 pm

Longer coming out of the Caribbean, ridge stronger again...I think we have a pretty good gut feeling how this run will play out through 5 days.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3745 Postby Ken711 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:47 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:Longer coming out of the Caribbean, ridge stronger again...I think we have a pretty good gut feeling how this run will play out through 5 days.


After 5 days is another trough suppose to drop down?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3746 Postby tolakram » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:48 pm

Unfortunately once again the GFS shows this regaining strength as it nears Jamaica.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3747 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:49 pm

Ken711 wrote:
SouthFLTropics wrote:Longer coming out of the Caribbean, ridge stronger again...I think we have a pretty good gut feeling how this run will play out through 5 days.


After 5 days is another trough suppose to drop down?


It seems that pretty much all the models are in agreement that a system comes from over the Rockies. It's just a matter of timing.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3748 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:50 pm

The only good thing I can see at 60 hours is that the trough over the Rockies may be a little further East. Maybe it can dig enough to kick Matthew OTS.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3749 Postby SapphireSea » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:50 pm

Ken711 wrote:
SouthFLTropics wrote:Longer coming out of the Caribbean, ridge stronger again...I think we have a pretty good gut feeling how this run will play out through 5 days.


After 5 days is another trough suppose to drop down?


I'd bet money on it this time of year. But it's amplitude is unknown.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3750 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:51 pm

Continues to be slower @ 60hrs on the 00z GFS run:

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3751 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:54 pm

Heads almost due north at 72 hours, as it makes landfall over the eastern tip of Jamaica. This is mostly unchanged from last model runs though.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3752 Postby BobHarlem » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:56 pm

A bit slower than before, it doesn't get to Jamaica until late Monday
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3753 Postby stephen23 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:57 pm

Slower not good with this one. Faster with the trough, slower with the storm is bad news. Last run showed a deep trough that dug down over Texas. I said then this would be horrible if the storm slowed down a day late and the trough was a day faster. It would cause this beast to cut into the Gulf. Then we can all speculate in those hot waters where we go. This must be the reason why I have already been put on standby by 5 different insurance companies. They tend to get the news much faster then the rest of us
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3754 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:57 pm

0Z is 6 hours slower with Matthew than 18Z.

And better hope that second trough digs deep. It looks further NE on this run.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3755 Postby NDG » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:57 pm

Looks like the latest GFS will be very close to its earlier 18z run of it tracking closer to FL than its previous 12z run. Continues with its trend of stronger ridging to its N and E
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3756 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:58 pm

Trend through 84hrs:
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90hrs, maybe beginning of the NW turn:

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3757 Postby toad strangler » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:00 pm

Through 78 I think this is just a hair E of 12z. Matthew is moving due N here in 18z at 78 hours.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3758 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:00 pm

It actually looks further east.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3759 Postby tolakram » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:00 pm

Maybe some good news, slower might end up more east.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#3760 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:02 pm

Looks like the blocking high is setting up further east on this run.

It'll be interesting to see if we get the WNW component now.
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