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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3001 Postby mrbagyo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:32 pm

ozonepete wrote:Aside from all of the track guessing going on, I see some are speculating that it could get back to cat 5 tomorrow before reaching Haiti and Jamaica. Unfortunately it's not out of the question. On this IR satellite image from 5:45PM EDT I circled that large area of convection to the east of Matthew's main circulation. It has been around for a couple of days now and appears to be reaching a maximum. Though it's hard to discern exactly why it formed or why it has persisted so long, at this point it seems likely that it is now taking some energy away from Matthew that could be used to maintain or increase his strength. My only guess is that it has something to do with the shape and topography of the northern S.A. coast, but regardless one would think if it weren't there Matthew would gain a really symmetric circular shape and thus re-intensify. If Matthew does indeed start moving NNW soon and further away from the S.A. coast that area of convection will either die out and/or merge with the main circulation and allow Matthew to regain a very symmetric flow and probably intensify. The other obvious factor is that if Matthew doesn't start moving soon there will be upwelling of cooler water under it that will aid in weakening.

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Maybe it has something to do with the interaction between the mountains in Columbia and the winds blowing across Lake Maracaibo and other coastal swamps (Catatumbo has an almost eternal lightning supply because of that).
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3002 Postby CDO62 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:34 pm

AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
BZSTORM wrote:OK just went to look at the GOES Floater for Matthew and it might be web issue but NHC floater sat link is showing just black screen with land maps and grid no actual images. Has this happened in the past?

And things keep becoming more strange... What the hell is going on?


My guess is their out of money to maintain things. Recon flights not flying as often as they should, other recon flights returning to base for mechanical problems......etc. :(
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3003 Postby MetroMike » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:34 pm

Ken711 wrote:
hurricanefloyd5 wrote:
Michele B wrote:
?????

I don't follow.

Could you elaborate on this please.


Because it stalled the track could shift westward


Ridge building in the cause?


Wrong according to Levi Cowan, It would not make much more westward progress, instead get pulled more North earlier than forecast by many models.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3004 Postby ncweatherwizard » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:37 pm

mrbagyo wrote:
ozonepete wrote:Aside from all of the track guessing going on, I see some are speculating that it could get back to cat 5 tomorrow before reaching Haiti and Jamaica. Unfortunately it's not out of the question. On this IR satellite image from 5:45PM EDT I circled that large area of convection to the east of Matthew's main circulation. It has been around for a couple of days now and appears to be reaching a maximum. Though it's hard to discern exactly why it formed or why it has persisted so long, at this point it seems likely that it is now taking some energy away from Matthew that could be used to maintain or increase his strength. My only guess is that it has something to do with the shape and topography of the northern S.A. coast, but regardless one would think if it weren't there Matthew would gain a really symmetric circular shape and thus re-intensify. If Matthew does indeed start moving NNW soon and further away from the S.A. coast that area of convection will either die out and/or merge with the main circulation and allow Matthew to regain a very symmetric flow and probably intensify. The other obvious factor is that if Matthew doesn't start moving soon there will be upwelling of cooler water under it that will aid in weakening.

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Maybe it has something to do with the interaction between the mountains in Columbia and the winds blowing across Lake Maracaibo and other coastal swamps (Catatumbo has an almost eternal lightning supply because of that).


I doubt this has anything to do with proximity to land, especially since the flow is offshore on the eastern side of the TC. Most of the high cloud tops in that area looks like cirrus that spread out from some really deep convective elements that developed along a rainband. The visible or SWIR loops illustrate this fairly well.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3005 Postby Cunxi Huang » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:38 pm

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3006 Postby tolakram » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:40 pm

Sometimes older planes need unscheduled maintenance, especially ones that fly into hurricanes. We don't even know why they turned around so please stop with the silly speculation.

I just noticed in the latest IR pic that the outer eyewall seems to be evident now.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3007 Postby Ken711 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:40 pm

jlauderdal wrote:more info for you folks to resolve

https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffM ... restrength


Thanks for posting this.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3008 Postby chris_fit » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:43 pm

No Sat - No Recon - I think this is telling me I should go sleep :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3009 Postby JKingTampa » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:44 pm

I'm very impressed by this year's season compared to the last few years. With all that has happened out in the Atlantic this year, I wonder how the end of the season will be now that the cold fronts are progressing into the Gulf of Mexico.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3010 Postby sphelps8681 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:47 pm

MetroMike wrote:
Ken711 wrote:
hurricanefloyd5 wrote:
Because it stalled the track could shift westward


Ridge building in the cause?


Wrong according to Levi Cowan, It would not make much more westward progress, instead get pulled more North earlier than forecast by many models.


Well the models forcasted this like yesterday.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3011 Postby centuryv58 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:47 pm

Ken711 wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:more info for you folks to resolve

https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffM ... restrength


Thanks for posting this.


Yes, thank you too. I was beginning to relax a bit until reading all the way to the end. :cry:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3012 Postby MetroMike » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:47 pm

My local chief TV Met in Tampa said we can write this storm off for the West coast of FL. Was that an irresponsible statement given the uncertainty in the long range?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3013 Postby Hammy » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:48 pm

Satellite's been out for two hours based on time stamps--did it fail? :eek:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3014 Postby Cunxi Huang » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:49 pm

chris_fit wrote:No Sat - No Recon - I think this is telling me I should go sleep :lol:

*Topic: *GOES-13 (GOES-East) Standard CONUS RSO
*Date/Time**Issued:* October 01, 2016 1305Z
*Product(s) or Data Impacted: *GOES-13 (GOES-East) Imager Data and
Products**
*Date/Time of Initial Impact:* October 01, 2016 1414Z******
*Date/Time of Expected End:*October 03, 2016 1414Z ****
*Length of Event:*48hours*
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**Monitor Hurricane Matthew in the Caribbean
There will be an increased number of GOES-13 (GOES-East) Rapid Sectors,
with decreased coverage for the Southern Hemisphere and smaller
Northern
Hemisphere scans.*


Well I think they are going to use GOES-13 rapid sectors to monitor Matthew...
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3015 Postby tolakram » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:50 pm

Hammy wrote:Satellite's been out for two hours based on time stamps--did it fail? :eek:


This happened a month ago, it ended up being an issue at one of the receivers or the program that translates the data into images. Probably something similar.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3016 Postby tolakram » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:51 pm

A 48 hour outage? Why, because it's the weekend?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3017 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:52 pm

centuryv58 wrote:
Ken711 wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:more info for you folks to resolve

https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffM ... restrength


Thanks for posting this.
interesting read for sure

Yes, thank you too. I was beginning to relax a bit until reading all the way to the end. :cry:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3018 Postby JaxGator » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:53 pm

tolakram wrote:Sometimes older planes need unscheduled maintenance, especially ones that fly into hurricanes. We don't even know why they turned around so please stop with the silly speculation.

I just noticed in the latest IR pic that the outer eyewall seems to be evident now.

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Cool image. Yeah, that makes sense too and these planes have more advanced equipment to maintain than their counterparts in the Air Force. Though budget cuts may be a reason as well.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3019 Postby JKingTampa » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:56 pm

Luckily for us in St. Petersburg, I'm only expecting a stronger than normal, maybe nice breeze and possibly some outer feeder bands. My car hated all the rain from Hermine we got...had to replace my battery terminals because of it. :grr:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3020 Postby Blown Away » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:56 pm

Looking like Jamaica will be @150 miles from the center based on current modeling...

NHC now on W side of most of the guidance... Might be decent E shift in long term at 11pm...
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