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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3181 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:46 am

NDG wrote:The central and upper TX coast will never be the same, I am afraid after Harvey is gone after next week.


Taylor Trogdon, a senior scientist with @NHC_Surge, tweeted something similar late last night:

"@TTrogdon -- Harvey beginning to have the look/feel of a weather event that could become a demarcation in peoples' lives.

Before Harvey | After Harvey"
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3182 Postby txwatcher91 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:47 am

Harvey is still struggling with the southern eyewall breaking up yet the pressure continues dropping. Once the eyewall holds I believe it will reach cat 3 status and quickly deepen from there. Seems to be struggling to close it off for some reason.

Also, the wind field and size of the storm seems to be growing.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3183 Postby MaineWeatherNut » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:47 am

NDG wrote:I had not realized that it was a 5 mb drop in between the last 2 passes, wow!

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Yeah it's been dropping at about a rate of 5mb per hour for the last 3 hours.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3184 Postby ronjon » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:50 am

Well at least folks in Brownsville can relax now - the storm is moving past their latitude as we speak. TWC showed tremendous lightning in the eastern eyewall 30 mins ago. Another 20 mb drop the next 12 hours puts Harvey around 938-940 mb near landfall.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3185 Postby forecasterjack » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:51 am

Hi guys!
This is my first post here! Excited to talk about Harvey!

Quite the dangerous situation here... GOES-16 data shows a pinhole eye developing (https://weather.us/satellite/texas/top- ... .html#play) and radar data confirms it (https://weather.us/radar-us/texas/refle ... .html#play). If that can fully close off, it's easy for me to see Cat 4 strength before landfall. The storm is struggling with a little bit of dry air by the looks of it. Thank goodness, without that we'd be headed for strong Cat 4 status no doubt. Convection is also a little bit lopsided. Nevertheless, this is a crazy dangerous storm. Wild to think that two days ago this was what, a tropical wave?

Hope everyone in Texas has taken the proper precautions!
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3186 Postby MaineWeatherNut » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:51 am

ronjon wrote:Well at least folks in Brownsville can relax now - the storm is moving past their latitude as we speak. TWC showed tremendous lightning in the eastern eyewall 30 mins ago. Another 20 mb drop the next 12 hours puts Harvey around 938-940 mb near landfall.


another 20mb drop would put it into the low 930s. It's down to 953mb right now.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3187 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:51 am

MississippiWx wrote:5mb drop in one pass. Harvey may be putting on one last big show before landfall. Obviously, anymore northward movement provides more time over water.


A blend between the GFS and the Euro would mean almost 20-24 hrs before it makes landfall, plenty of time to may drop down another 15-20 mb before then, IMO.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3188 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:52 am

Edit from my previous post of course I mistyped as I meant it state that I have no doubts that Harvey willbe at least a category 4 hurricane later today. However, I'm going to add to that in the way this thing is continuing to deepen and intensify at a rapid clip, on its approach to the Texas coast, I'm starting to think now that this is going to be a cat 5 hurricane and go in the history books as one of the strongest hurricanes to have ever impacted the United States. This is just been an incredible tropical cyclone and again I say my prayers go to everyone and the Texas coastal region and Southern Texas ..Wow, just a nightmare scenario and I'm just hoping for the best and praying for everyone In Harm's Way!!
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3189 Postby AubreyStorm » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:53 am

Vía Ryan Maue
Up to 35" rainfall forecast update by @NWSWPC from Hurricane #Harvey
Long duration flooding disaster imminent near coast & inland.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3190 Postby forecasterjack » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:53 am

ronjon wrote:Well at least folks in Brownsville can relax now - the storm is moving past their latitude as we speak. TWC showed tremendous lightning in the eastern eyewall 30 mins ago. Another 20 mb drop the next 12 hours puts Harvey around 938-940 mb near landfall.


Sure enough, lots of lightning strikes showing up in the eastern eyewall. Sign of very rapid strengthening. If storms can reach high enough for depolarization in the center of a warm core system... yikes. You can see the lightning data for yourself here: https://weather.us/lightning/951-w-261- ... 1045z.html
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3191 Postby txwatcher91 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:55 am

northjaxpro wrote:Edit from my previous post of course I mistyped as I meant it state that I have no doubts that Harvey willbe at least a category 4 hurricane later today. However, I'm going to add to that in the way this thing is continuing to deepen and intensify at a rapid clip, on its approach to the Texas coast, I'm starting to think now that this is going to be a cat 5 hurricane and go in the history books as one of the strongest hurricanes to have ever impacted the United States. This is just been an incredible tropical cyclone and again I say my prayers go to everyone and the Texas coastal region and Southern Texas ..Wow, just a nightmare scenario and I'm just hoping for the best and praying for everyone In Harm's Way


What concerns me most are the scenarios of this stalling right over or near Corpus Christi with half the eye over water still. Not only would they be battered for hours with hurricane force winds and torrential rains, it would also allow the system to weaken slower too.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3192 Postby hurricaneCW » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:55 am

I believe Harvey will be in the Top 5 for costliest storm just on the rain aspects alone but it could be in the Top 3 if it hits as a Category 4.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3193 Postby Dave C » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:55 am

Last vortex message also had closed eyewall
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3194 Postby Dave C » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:57 am

110 mph 7 am nhc statement 952mb
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3195 Postby ronjon » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:58 am

I suppose at this point we can only hope for some last minute weakening as it approaches slightly cooler shelf waters but even that would be a few mb most likely.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3196 Postby Exalt » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:59 am

If this rate of intensification continues without any hiccups a Cat 5 would not be out of the question at all. Horrifying to watch, at least the likes of Patricia and Matthew weakened pre-landfall..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3197 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:00 am

Best IR presentation by far it's ever had right now.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3198 Postby forecasterjack » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:01 am

Some of the data from last night's ECMWF run was just insane. PWAT's >3" in the same place for days leading to total rainfall of 40+"? Yikes. You can get full res ECMWF stuff for free: https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/95 ... 0000z.html
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3199 Postby JPmia » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:02 am

It appears Harvey is moving through the Warm Eddy in the Loop Current, which may explain the current deepening trend.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#3200 Postby Nimbus » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:03 am

ronjon wrote:I suppose at this point we can only hope for some last minute weakening as it approaches slightly cooler shelf waters but even that would be a few mb most likely.


After a stall offshore Texas followed by a front disrupting the circulation and sweeping the remnants off the NJ coast where it redevelops.

Yeah maybe Greenland....
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