ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[Hurricane Andrew]

I saw the chaser videos and he was screaming like a lunatic saying 130, 142, 150. He was looking at winds off doppler radar at 3000 feet in the air. He did not receive those winds on the surface. That video as horrible as it looked is consistent with 100 mph to 110 mph sustained winds. If he was in legit Cat 3/Cat 4 sustained winds, he would be dead because his truck would have flipped over.

His truck was in between two concrete walls...that is why it didn't flip over. Were you not watching when the building crumbled around him?

[Hypercane_Kyle]

...HARVEY DRENCHING TEXAS... ...TORRENTIAL RAINS WILL CONTINUE FOR A FEW MORE DAYS...
10:00 AM CDT Sat Aug 26
Location: 28.9°N 97.3°W
Moving: N at 2 mph
Min pressure: 984 mb
Max sustained: 75 mph

[jabman98]

 https://twitter.com/DougDelonyKHOU/status/901428666223271936

I wonder if that location is correct or there's some other issue. I know this general area well and this area of town hasn't received enough rain to cause that sort of flooding. Even the stated 4" of rain in 24 hours just shouldn't cause that kind of flooding in that location. Maybe some sort of drainage obstruction is causing the problem? It could be that White Oak bayou overflowing its banks (local news isn't showing that, though), but even so that would put that house a few streets south. Odd.

[swampgator92]

All I'm saying is I haven't seen anything right now inconsistent with Category 2 sustained winds and Cat 3/4 gusts in Fulton, Rockport, anywhere. Damage wise or data wise.

If someone can show me data that proves me wrong, I'd love to see where Cat 3 sustained winds hit. I just think people forget how bad and damaging even 100mph sustained winds can be and that leaves them woefully unprepared.

[Meteorcane]

As far as wind damage goes, the areas that got the worst winds (Cat 2 Sustained, Cat 3/4 Gusts) had a population of 10,000 or so people. If this had hit 30 miles to the south, it would have barreled into metro Corpus Christi with a population of half a million.

The worst surge appears to have hit national wildlife refuges where birds live.

The damage in Rockport I've seen are not the cataclysmic total destruction of concrete block buildings you see in a Hurricane Andrew. Mobile homes and manufactured homes did poorly but that's to be expected in Cat 2 winds. There are isolated pockets of total destruction but all in all not so bad considering the hype.

We'll see what happens with the flooding. That has the potential to be really bad especially in the metro areas like Houston, San Antonio, and Austin if the feeder bands hit in bad spots but the area that will get the most rain is cow country too. Lots and lots of lots of nothing.

It reminds me a little of that Cat 4 storm that hit cow country in Texas and bothered nobody.

This could have been sooooooooooooooooooooooo much worse. Nothing compared to Andrew.

Are you referring to Bret? I believe that was only a cat 3. This storm will be much worse because of the rain over populated areas. Additionally although I agree with your estimated wind speeds observed in the vicinity of Rockport, I think Bret had one overland sustained hurricane force wind measurement in total, and to be honest I think Wilma was the last CONUS storm to actually produce a sustained Cat 2 measurement (yes I know that Ike etc. likely had cat 2 sustained in un-instrumented areas). So Cat 2 sustained winds are nothing to sneeze at and I saw several in the Aransas/Rockport vicinity last night. Also although I didn't see this measurement the NHC listed a 111 sustained 131 gust in their 10 pm update last night http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2017/al09/al092017.public.023.shtml?. That has got to be the strongest measured with a tropical cyclone in the CONUS since Charley and probably the strongest that has happened since Katrina.

[Digital-TC-Chaser]

Josh Morgerman‏Verified account @iCyclone 3h3 hours ago

Dawn in Rockport, #Texas. Landscape is smashed, stripped, and scrubbed in #Hurricane #HARVEY's wake. A monstrous cyclone.



This guy dont talk poop.

[Cuda]

Look at the map. There's literally nothing where the northeast eyewall and worst winds hit. There's Matagorda Island and Aransas Wildlife Refuge. Fulton, Rockport got the western eyewall and I have seen no official reports of sustained winds greater than Cat 2 anywhere.

I literally watched a live feed last night of a guy who had sustained winds of 120-130+ for what seemed like an hour and a half. I feel like you're being quite reckless with your language here. This storm CLEARLY impacted a lot of areas and a lot of people. And it's not anywhere near done yet.

[JPmia]

here's the car wash.. it survived barely:
https://twitter.com/dreamwalk2017/statu ... 4171315200

[Hurricane Andrew]

here's the car wash.. it survived barely:
https://twitter.com/dreamwalk2017/statu ... 4171315200

The blue shed made it! That thing is invincible...

[galveston-d]

...HARVEY DRENCHING TEXAS... ...TORRENTIAL RAINS WILL CONTINUE FOR A FEW MORE DAYS...
10:00 AM CDT Sat Aug 26
Location: 28.9°N 97.3°W
Moving: N at 2 mph
Min pressure: 984 mb
Max sustained: 75 mph

And my kitchen is beginning to flood. Sigh. Woke up wondering.. kinda hoping my house would not flood but... we live in a rental with a crack in the foundation close to the Seawall in Galveston - the water is seeping up under the flooring/tile. We are working to stop it from getting worse but since this is only just beginning and is supposed to last I know I am going to have a ton of work to do. If it gets too bad, we will give up and go upstairs - all our stuff is up there now. Its just nicer downstairs. Well was...I hope Harvey heads to the Hill Country sooner than later and rains out.

[Hurricane Andrew]

...HARVEY DRENCHING TEXAS... ...TORRENTIAL RAINS WILL CONTINUE FOR A FEW MORE DAYS...
10:00 AM CDT Sat Aug 26
Location: 28.9°N 97.3°W
Moving: N at 2 mph
Min pressure: 984 mb
Max sustained: 75 mph

And my kitchen is beginning to flood. Sigh. Woke up wondering.. kinda hoping my house would not flood but... we live in a rental with a crack in the foundation close to the Seawall in Galveston - the water is seeping up under the flooring/tile. We are working to stop it from getting worse but since this is only just beginning and is supposed to last I know I am going to have a ton of work to do. If it gets too bad, we will give up and go upstairs - all our stuff is up there now. Its just nicer downstairs. Well was...I hope Harvey heads to the Hill Country sooner than later and rains out.

Stay safe man, make sure you avoid the water...especially if you still have power. I remember going to a flooded basement call, where all I could think of was how if there was a live wire or outlet sitting somewhere, my day would get quite interesting very quickly. Stuff is nothing to mess around with. Stay safe down there, please.

[tolakram]

[tw eet]https://twitter.com/DougDelonyKHOU/status/901428666223271936[/tweet]

I wonder if that location is correct or there's some other issue. I know this general area well and this area of town hasn't received enough rain to cause that sort of flooding. Even the stated 4" of rain in 24 hours just shouldn't cause that kind of flooding in that location. Maybe some sort of drainage obstruction is causing the problem? It could be that White Oak bayou overflowing its banks (local news isn't showing that, though), but even so that would put that house a few streets south. Odd.

I assume flooding from water backing up, even if it's not raining hard in that location. That is the big danger of these kinds of floods. It may be clear but suddenly you're knee deep in water.

[Meteorcane]

If this station is accurate this thing is still producing upper end tropical storm force sustained winds (as of about 50 minutes ago) https://www.wunderground.com/personal-w ... D=KTXINEZ7

[Aric Dunn]

its like reports are being blocked from being made public.. very odd.

[tolakram]

its like reports are being blocked from being made public.. very odd.

Come on Aric. When the winds calm a bit we can start to see some drone coverage, but when a storm is sitting and spinning down I think this slow trickle of info is what can be expected.

 https://twitter.com/Jeff_Piotrowski/status/901453118784798725



Jeff Piotrowski ✔ @Jeff_Piotrowski
We are stuck in the town of Rockport all roads are blocked due to high water & debris .#txwx #hurricaneharvey2017
10:35 AM - Aug 26, 2017

[yzerfan]

its like reports are being blocked from being made public.. very odd.

Not really. You typically don't really get good information until winds have calmed down enough to get helicopters up and we don't seem to be at that point yet. It's often at T+24 where the "Oh *bleep*' reports start to come in.

[wxman57]

Look at the map. There's literally nothing where the northeast eyewall and worst winds hit. There's Matagorda Island and Aransas Wildlife Refuge. Fulton, Rockport got the western eyewall and I have seen no official reports of sustained winds greater than Cat 2 anywhere.

I literally watched a live feed last night of a guy who had sustained winds of 120-130+ for what seemed like an hour and a half. I feel like you're being quite reckless with your language here. This storm CLEARLY impacted a lot of areas and a lot of people. And it's not anywhere near done yet.

I watched Jeff's video. He was relying on Doppler radar winds for his surface wind estimates. Problem was that the winds he was looking at were well above the surface. He was overestimating surface winds much of the time. I did see what looked like Cat 3-4 wind at times, though

[swampdude]

I hope that many of my fellow Texans do not drop their guard now that Harvey's immediate danger is passing. The danger will continue for most of the next week as the intense rains dump the Gulf moisture on Texas and parts of Louisiana. Freshwater flooding will continue as streams and rivers try to send their waters back to the Gulf. Prayers for the folks in and around Rockport and Port O'Conner. Keep your guard up, Texas!!

[Ntxw]

Look at the map. There's literally nothing where the northeast eyewall and worst winds hit. There's Matagorda Island and Aransas Wildlife Refuge. Fulton, Rockport got the western eyewall and I have seen no official reports of sustained winds greater than Cat 2 anywhere.

I literally watched a live feed last night of a guy who had sustained winds of 120-130+ for what seemed like an hour and a half. I feel like you're being quite reckless with your language here. This storm CLEARLY impacted a lot of areas and a lot of people. And it's not anywhere near done yet.

Yeah we watched it live, recon gave us data as it was hitting. No need to be a skeptic in this case, the information came in real time.

The blue shed has it's own twitter page

[Hurricane Andrew]

Look at the map. There's literally nothing where the northeast eyewall and worst winds hit. There's Matagorda Island and Aransas Wildlife Refuge. Fulton, Rockport got the western eyewall and I have seen no official reports of sustained winds greater than Cat 2 anywhere.

I literally watched a live feed last night of a guy who had sustained winds of 120-130+ for what seemed like an hour and a half. I feel like you're being quite reckless with your language here. This storm CLEARLY impacted a lot of areas and a lot of people. And it's not anywhere near done yet.

Yeah we watched it live, recon gave us data as it was hitting. No need to be a skeptic in this case, the information came in real time.

The blue shed has it's own twitter page

HAHAHA that's great...it really is.