ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5741 Postby Alyono » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:53 am

error in the NHC discussion. The 48 hour forecast is actually back over the water. Pasch listed the point as inland
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5742 Postby storm_in_a_teacup » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:55 am

Alyono wrote:error in the NHC discussion. The 48 hour forecast is actually back over the water. Pasch listed the point as inland


So what does that mean? It could restrengthen? Pull in more moisture?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5743 Postby Alyono » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:58 am

storm_in_a_teacup wrote:
Alyono wrote:error in the NHC discussion. The 48 hour forecast is actually back over the water. Pasch listed the point as inland


So what does that mean? It could restrengthen? Pull in more moisture?


both
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5744 Postby tailgater » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:11 am

Prayers with our friends in Texas.
Why do this events seem to happen at night so often. Rhetorical.
Try not to Panic and check on your neighbors. Daylight is coming soon, that should help a little.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5745 Postby BRweather » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:11 am

Okay is it an illusion on radar or is Harvey sinking south that quickly??
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5746 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:13 am

I really hate to say this, but on a quick glance, I don't see any end in sight for the foreseeable future.

That 5000 CAPE pocket in the GOM is still there.
The high winds from Harvey are picking up the moisture from the water (WISHE - Wind Induced Surface Heat Exchange) and throwing it into the boundary layer.

The latest and closest Sounding I could find is showing a nearly saturated air column.
Any forced lift will dump massive amounts of rain.

Also, TPW looks like it is deepening in the GOM and getting ready to dump even more rain.
Appears to still have the EPAC connect between Chiapas and Oaxaca.

Prayers and stay safe everyone.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... anim=html5

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5747 Postby BRweather » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:19 am

:uarrow: :uarrow:

07z HRRR seems to confirm our fears
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5748 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:20 am

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5749 Postby BRweather » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:24 am

Seriously...I wonder how many quick tornadoes have occurred? Each one has to be exacerbating the problem tremendously.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5750 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:31 am

That train is also picking up very high ThetaE (367) air over the same hot pool of water.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5751 Postby aperson » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:31 am

From an evac perspective, what happens here next? I don't understand how any part of Houston can endure this for 3 or more days. The 3rd band that set up on radar basically has all of houston covered by nonstop rain now.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5752 Postby BRweather » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:34 am

One of the most intense bands yet is setting up offshore and it stretches all the way back to Brownsville. This one is looking nasty on water-vapor and what the radar is picking up.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5753 Postby LearnedHat » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:36 am

GCANE wrote:I really hate to say this, but on a quick glance, I don't see any end in sight for the foreseeable future.

That 5000 CAPE pocket in the GOM is still there.
The high winds from Harvey are picking up the moisture from the water (WISHE - Wind Induced Surface Heat Exchange) and throwing it into the boundary layer.

The latest and closest Sounding I could find is showing a nearly saturated air column.
Any forced lift will dump massive amounts of rain.

Also, TPW looks like it is deepening in the GOM and getting ready to dump even more rain.
Appears to still have the EPAC connect between Chiapas and Oaxaca.

Prayers and stay safe everyone.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... anim=html5

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What does the flow across Mexico from eastern pacific mean/provide?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5755 Postby BRweather » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:43 am

The center looks to be moving almost SSE now on radar. And it definitely does not look to be moving 1 mph any longer. It is tough to pin the exact center, but seems to be moving faster.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5756 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:45 am

LearnedHat wrote:
GCANE wrote:I really hate to say this, but on a quick glance, I don't see any end in sight for the foreseeable future.

That 5000 CAPE pocket in the GOM is still there.
The high winds from Harvey are picking up the moisture from the water (WISHE - Wind Induced Surface Heat Exchange) and throwing it into the boundary layer.

The latest and closest Sounding I could find is showing a nearly saturated air column.
Any forced lift will dump massive amounts of rain.

Also, TPW looks like it is deepening in the GOM and getting ready to dump even more rain.
Appears to still have the EPAC connect between Chiapas and Oaxaca.

Prayers and stay safe everyone.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... anim=html5



What does the flow across Mexico from eastern pacific mean/provide?


More moist air that feeds into Harvey that would lead to rain.
However as Harvey weakens, pressure goes up, I think that feed will cut off soon.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5757 Postby tailgater » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:46 am

LearnedHat wrote:
GCANE wrote:I really hate to say this, but on a quick glance, I don't see any end in sight for the foreseeable future.

That 5000 CAPE pocket in the GOM is still there.
The high winds from Harvey are picking up the moisture from the water (WISHE - Wind Induced Surface Heat Exchange) and throwing it into the boundary layer.

The latest and closest Sounding I could find is showing a nearly saturated air column.
Any forced lift will dump massive amounts of rain.

Also, TPW looks like it is deepening in the GOM and getting ready to dump even more rain.
Appears to still have the EPAC connect between Chiapas and Oaxaca.

Prayers and stay safe everyone.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... anim=html5

http://i.imgur.com/FGBF7bF.gif

http://i.imgur.com/pjD48yD.gif



What does the flow across Mexico from eastern pacific mean/provide?

It means that Harvey has a long fetch of deep tropical moisture to pull from.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5758 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:47 am

BRweather wrote:Seriously...I wonder how many quick tornadoes have occurred? Each one has to be exacerbating the problem tremendously.


Looks like the tornado threat may be done for a while.
It may come back this afternoon, especially if there is a break in the cloud cover over land and there is some prolonged heating of the ground.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5759 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:50 am

Nasty looking MCS

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5760 Postby GCANE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:54 am

Feeder band developed east of Brownsville about an hour ago and sweeping across the GOM.
Looks like its picking up steam.
May come on shore in about 1.5 hours.
Watching this one closely.
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