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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1641 Postby otowntiger » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:31 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Blown Away wrote:https://i.imgur.com/prtBOCW.gif
Irma losing latitude quickly now..
Lowest Latitude Predicted By Past Few Forecasts:
5pm: 16.8 (Today)
11am: 17.1
5am: 17.0
11pm: 16.8 (Last Night)

** I'll be interested to see if the 11pm drops lower than 16.8, farther S Irma goes the longer it will take to go W and becomes a closer call for NE Caribbean... Something to watch... :wink:


Our 7-day track has it down to 16.7N but passing far enough north of the Lesser Antilles to keep hurricane-force winds out of the islands. Hurricane-force winds will only extend about 30 miles south of the center.



Assuming it does not go through 10 more ERC before then lol.. Then the wind wind field will likely quite a bit bigger.

Or wobbles are an issue with such a angle and close approach.
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But it seems like the several ERC's have done nothing to affect Irma's size so far. She is still a tiny storm. I don't buy all the models showing such a massive storm in just a couple days.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1642 Postby SootyTern » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:35 pm



Did that lobe of convection on Irma's NE side get pulled into the main COC and make it larger?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1643 Postby sma10 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:36 pm

otowntiger wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Our 7-day track has it down to 16.7N but passing far enough north of the Lesser Antilles to keep hurricane-force winds out of the islands. Hurricane-force winds will only extend about 30 miles south of the center.



Assuming it does not go through 10 more ERC before then lol.. Then the wind wind field will likely quite a bit bigger.

Or wobbles are an issue with such a angle and close approach.
.

But it seems like the several ERC's have done nothing to affect Irma's size so far. She is still a tiny storm. I don't buy all the models showing such a massive storm in just a couple days.


The models have consistently shown Irma to remain small at this point in the track.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1644 Postby lando » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:36 pm

When will she start becoming the monster in size she is predicted to be? Bahamas?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1645 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:37 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1646 Postby lando » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:38 pm

ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Hurricane Irma Discussion Number 15
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
1100 PM AST Sat Sep 02 2017

The cloud pattern of Irma has not changed significantly in structure
today. The eye continues to become apparent and then hide under
the convective canopy, and this has been the observed pattern for
the past 24 hours or so. Dvorak estimates go up and down with the
presence of the eye, but an average of these numbers supports an
initial intensity of 95 kt. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter plane will help
with the intensity estimate on Sunday.

I hesitate to speculate too much about the environment that Irma is
embedded within. All of the standard ingredients necessary for
strengthening are forecast to be at least marginally favorable, but
none are expected to be hostile for intensification. The NHC
forecast, which in fact is similar to the previous one, continues to
be a blend of the statistical models and the explosive strengthening
shown by the regional hurricane and global models.

The subtropical ridge building to the north of Irma has been
steering the hurricane toward the west or 260 degrees at 12
kt. The ridge is forecast to amplify even more, and this flow
pattern will force the hurricane to dive west-southwestward for a
couple of days. Irma should then begin to gain latitude once it
reaches the southwestern edge of the ridge in about 3 days. The
confidence in the track forecast is high for the next 72 hours since
all of the reliable guidance is basically on top of each other.
After 3 days, when the hurricane is forecast to be approaching the
northern Leeward Islands, the guidance envelope spreads out and
becomes bounded by the southernmost tracks of the HWRF, HCCA and the
ECMWF models, and by the northernmost GFS and UK models. The
confidence beyond 3 days is then much lower. Tonight's NHC forecast
was adjusted a just little to the south of the previous one due to
another small shift of the guidance envelope. The forecast is
basically on top of the multi-model consensus TVCX.

While Irma is currently a small hurricane, the size guidance
suggests it should grow in size during the next 72 h. This will
affect how soon watches may be issued for portions of the Leeward
and Virgin Islands.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Irma is expected to be a major hurricane when it moves closer to
the Lesser Antilles early next week, producing rough surf and rip
currents. Irma could also cause dangerous wind, storm surge, and
rainfall impacts on some islands, although it is too soon to specify
where and when those hazards could occur. Residents in the Lesser
Antilles should monitor the progress of Irma through the weekend and
listen to any advice given by local officials.

2. It is much too early to determine what direct impacts Irma will
have on the Bahamas and the continental United States. Regardless,
everyone in hurricane-prone areas should ensure that they have their
hurricane plan in place, as we are now near the peak of the season.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1647 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:44 pm

Just as the nhc has mentioned as well as myself and others. Its this turn back to the wnw that will be key for post 3 day tracks.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1648 Postby dexterlabio » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:44 pm

I guess the dry air in mid-Atlantic is keeping it small. It's been undergoing a few EWRCs but I'm not sure if those qualify as successful ones like with Harvey. Not familiar with this basin but it looks like the best conducive environment is north of the Caribbean islands, and that's where we can expect a classic evolution of the eyewall.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1649 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:47 pm

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1650 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:53 pm

NHC forecast track animation since 11am Friday. The trend is slightly south and west with each passing advisory.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1651 Postby sma10 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:05 pm

lando wrote:When will she start becoming the monster in size she is predicted to be? Bahamas?


Funny, but to my eye, she is starting to grow a bit in the last several frames. She's starting to look less annular as well
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1652 Postby floridasun78 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:06 pm

if keep moving wsw when you see watch issue for islands?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1653 Postby Blown Away » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:09 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Blown Away wrote:https://i.imgur.com/prtBOCW.gif
Irma losing latitude quickly now..
Lowest Latitude Predicted By Past Few Forecasts:
5pm: 16.8 (Today)
11am: 17.1
5am: 17.0
11pm: 16.8 (Last Night)

** I'll be interested to see if the 11pm drops lower than 16.8, farther S Irma goes the longer it will take to go W and becomes a closer call for NE Caribbean... Something to watch... :wink:


Our 7-day track has it down to 16.7N but passing far enough north of the Lesser Antilles to keep hurricane-force winds out of the islands. Hurricane-force winds will only extend about 30 miles south of the center.



Assuming it does not go through 10 more ERC before then lol.. Then the wind wind field will likely quite a bit bigger.

Or wobbles are an issue with such a angle and close approach.


11pm dropped it to 16.7...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1654 Postby HurricaneRyan » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:10 pm

This is becoming less likely to become a Cat 5. It's one ERC after another like Katy Perry's Hot N Cold
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1655 Postby floridasun78 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:11 pm

i was looking forecast wind by thur going be 160mph that make havery look like kitty with wind but flood what havery gave flood and destory area round redport
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1656 Postby lando » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:12 pm

Blown Away wrote:
11pm dropped it to 16.7...


I see it going to 16.5 according to the 2300 nhc advisory
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1657 Postby Blown Away » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:15 pm

lando wrote:
Blown Away wrote:
11pm dropped it to 16.7...


I see it going to 16.5 according to the 2300 nhc advisory


Yes, I missed that, it is 16.5... 18 miles farther S than predicted at 5pm...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1658 Postby Alyono » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:15 pm

dexterlabio wrote:I guess the dry air in mid-Atlantic is keeping it small. It's been undergoing a few EWRCs but I'm not sure if those qualify as successful ones like with Harvey. Not familiar with this basin but it looks like the best conducive environment is north of the Caribbean islands, and that's where we can expect a classic evolution of the eyewall.


harvey intensified during it's ewrc. Not even Haiyan did that. Harvey is by far the exception with regards to ewrcs
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1659 Postby marciacubed » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:15 pm

What does that mean for SoFl?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1660 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:18 pm

marciacubed wrote:What does that mean for SoFl?


Ask again in 3 days. Then there might be an answer. Maybe. Even that might be to early.
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