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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4241 Postby BlowHard » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:50 pm

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Exalt wrote:They need to HURRY with these mandatory evac orders in Miami Dade. My Aunt is persistent on staying because they haven't issued one yet. The potential for catastrophic damage is too high, they need to get people OUT.


Yeah, if I lived there I would seriously consider getting a one-way ticket out asap.


It is already too late. Those options disappeared yesterday. Life on small islands is far more tenuous. Far fewer options.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4242 Postby Extratropical94 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:51 pm

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Langinbang187 wrote:
It's in the central Atlantic so it's not surprising the pressure is high relative to the winds.


But Hugo, Isabel, Gloria, Igor all had lower pressures and lower wind speeds. How is the Central Atlantic different from the Caribbean or the GOM?
exactly what is the pressure now? Is it still 926? I don't see any updates on the recon data or discussion threads.


Official and 18Z best track is 926, yes. Given the trend at that time, it might be around 923 by now. The next plane will be in the storm in less than two hours, then we will know better.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4243 Postby Blown Away » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:51 pm

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Maybe slightly NE of next forecast point?? Of course it could average out once it reaches the next forecast point.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4244 Postby shawn6304 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:51 pm

I am not sure which way to even hope for , Sitting in Broward County do i want the storm to go east side of Florida coast and have me on the west side or do i want it to go west side Florida coast and then im on the north east quad???
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4245 Postby Tammster » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:52 pm

Palm Beach County just announced schools will be closed Thursday & Friday.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4246 Postby Jelff » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:52 pm

The link below will display a Google + GIS (Geographical Information System) map centered on Puerto Rico. This map can show you the water height and wind speed at various weather stations.

When the map opens each green dot is a weather sensing station on the coast. If you click any of those stations then you will see a popup that includes a “data” link. If you follow that “data” link then you will see the official web page for that station. That web page displays a graph of water level. As Irma passes Puerto Rico you will be able to see any storm surge measured by the gage.

To see a wind speed graph look above the water level graph and click the link titled “Meteorological Obs.”

The map can also display data overlay layers that show bouys, stream gages, rain gages and many other data layers. A number of data layers include links that lead to more information similar to the coastal weather stations.

The "Map Tips" link in the upper left corner will show you how to turn the other GIS data overlay layers on/off, how to make your own custom map link and more tips for getting the most benefit from the map.

Hurricane map: https://bit.ly/2gL31Gn
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4247 Postby meriland29 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:53 pm

I have been trying to do some math based on the current satellite imagery. Is this storm approaching 800 miles in diameter or am I incorrect?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4248 Postby Tekken_Guy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:53 pm

Langinbang187 wrote:
Tekken_Guy wrote:
Langinbang187 wrote:
It's in the central Atlantic so it's not surprising the pressure is high relative to the winds.


But Hugo, Isabel, Gloria, Igor all had lower pressures and lower wind speeds. How is the Central Atlantic different from the Caribbean or the GOM?


It's in a higher pressure enviornment so I've heard.


What other storms have had unusually high pressures in this area?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4249 Postby utweather » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:53 pm

BlowHard wrote:
utweather wrote:
Exalt wrote:They need to HURRY with these mandatory evac orders in Miami Dade. My Aunt is persistent on staying because they haven't issued one yet. The potential for catastrophic damage is too high, they need to get people OUT.


Yeah, if I lived there I would seriously consider getting a one-way ticket out asap.


It is already too late. Those options disappeared yesterday. Life on small islands is far more tenuous. Far fewer options.


Not for Miami. Good luck in Puerto Rico, I think its forecast to miss you to the north.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4250 Postby shawn6304 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:54 pm

meriland29 wrote:I have been trying to do some math based on the current satellite imagery. Is this storm approaching 800 miles in diameter or am I incorrect?



I heard 416 miles across an hour ago
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4251 Postby Prof » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:54 pm

shawn6304 wrote:I am not sure which way to even hope for , Sitting in Broward County do i want the storm to go east side of Florida coast and have me on the west side or do i want it to go west side Florida coast and then im on the north east quad???


Right!! This is thing people aren't thinking about. Either way is bad news.
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Re: ATL: Irma: Observations,Web Cams,Local NWS Statements (NE Caribbean/Bahamas/Florida/SC/NC)

#4252 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:54 pm

Hurricane Irma Local Statement Intermediate Advisory Number 26A
National Weather Service San Juan PR AL112017
211 PM AST Tue Sep 5 2017

This product covers PUERTO RICO AND THE US VIRGIN ISLANDS

**POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE IRMA HEADING TOWARD THE
LEEWARD ISLANDS**

NEW INFORMATION
---------------

* CHANGES TO WATCHES AND WARNINGS:
- None

* CURRENT WATCHES AND WARNINGS:
- A Hurricane Warning is in effect for Central Interior, Culebra,
Eastern Interior, Mayaguez and Vicinity, North Central,
Northeast, Northwest, Ponce and Vicinity, San Juan and
Vicinity, Southeast, Southwest, St Croix, St.Thomas...St.
John...and Adjacent Islands, Vieques, and Western Interior

* STORM INFORMATION:
- About 470 miles east-southeast of San Juan PR or about 400
miles east-southeast of Saint Thomas VI
- 16.9N 59.1W
- Storm Intensity 185 mph
- Movement West or 275 degrees at 14 mph

SITUATION OVERVIEW
------------------

Irma has increased in strength to Category 5 with winds of 185 mph and
is expected to continue as a potentially catastrophic hurricane as it
approaches Puerto Rico and the U.S Virgin Islands late Wednesday
morning. Irma is forecast to move northeast of the local islands, but
through the local outer Atlantic waters Wednesday afternoon through
early Thursday Morning. Irma is expected cause dangerous winds, storm
surge, rip currents and rainfall impacts across the local islands.
Hurricane force wind gusts are possible across the Northern U.S. Virgin
Islands, Culebra, Vieques and Northeast Puerto Rico with strong
tropical force winds likely. The rest of the area is likely to
experience tropical storm force winds. Wind gusts with hurricane force
wind are likely at higher elevations. Rainfall accumulations between 4
to 8 inches with isolated amounts over 12 are likely Wednesday through
Friday.

POTENTIAL IMPACTS
-----------------

* WIND:
Protect against life-threatening wind having possible catastrophic
impacts across the across the northern U.S. Virgin Islands, Culebra and
the northeast quadrant of Puerto Rico. Potential impacts in this area
include:
- Structural damage to sturdy buildings, some with complete roof
and wall failures. Complete destruction of mobile homes. Damage
greatly accentuated by large airborne projectiles. Locations
may be uninhabitable for weeks or months.
- Numerous large trees snapped or uprooted along with fences and
roadway signs blown over.
- Many roads impassable from large debris, and more within urban
or heavily wooded places. Many bridges, causeways, and access
routes impassable.
- Widespread power and communications outages.

Also, protect against life-threatening wind having possible extensive
impacts across all islands.

* FLOODING RAIN:
Protect against life-threatening rainfall flooding having possible
extensive impacts across all the islands. Potential impacts include:
- Major rainfall flooding may prompt many evacuations and rescues.
- Rivers and tributaries may rapidly overflow their banks in
multiple places. Small streams, creeks, canals, arroyos, and
ditches may become dangerous rivers. In mountain areas,
destructive runoff may run quickly down valleys while
increasing susceptibility to rockslides and mudslides. Flood
control systems and barriers may become stressed.
- Flood waters can enter many structures within multiple
communities, some structures becoming uninhabitable or washed
away. Many places where flood waters may cover escape routes.
Streets and parking lots become rivers of moving water with
underpasses submerged. Driving conditions become dangerous.
Many road and bridge closures with some weakened or washed out.

Protect against dangerous rainfall flooding having possible
significant impacts across all impacts.

* SURGE:
Protect against life-threatening surge having possible devastating
impacts across all islands. Potential impacts in this area include:
- Widespread deep inundation, with storm surge flooding greatly
accentuated by powerful battering waves. Structural damage to
buildings, with many washing away. Damage greatly compounded
from considerable floating debris. Locations may be
uninhabitable for an extended period.
- Near-shore escape routes and secondary roads washed out or
severely flooded. Flood control systems and barriers may become
stressed.
- Extreme beach erosion. New shoreline cuts possible.
- Massive damage to marinas, docks, boardwalks, and piers.
Numerous small craft broken away from moorings with many lifted
onshore and stranded.

Also, protect against life-threatening surge having possible
significant to extensive impacts across all the islands.

Also, protect against locally hazardous surge having possible limited
impacts across .

* TORNADOES:
Protect against a tornado event having possible limited impacts
across PUERTO RICO AND THE US VIRGIN ISLANDS. Potential impacts
include:
- The occurrence of isolated tornadoes can hinder the execution
of emergency plans during tropical events.
- A few places may experience tornado damage, along with power
and communications disruptions.
- Locations could realize roofs peeled off buildings, chimneys
toppled, mobile homes pushed off foundations or overturned,
large tree tops and branches snapped off, shallow-rooted trees
knocked over, moving vehicles blown off roads, and small boats
pulled from moorings.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS
----------------------------------

* EVACUATIONS:
WATCH/WARNING PHASE - For those under evacuation orders, leave as soon
as practical with a destination in mind. Gas up your vehicle well
ahead of time. Be sure that you take all essential materials from your
emergency supplies kit. Let others know where you are going and when
you intend to arrive.

WATCH/WARNING PHASE - If evacuating the area, stick to prescribed
evacuation routes. Look for additional traffic information on roadway
smart signs and listen to select radio channels for further travel
instructions. Drivers should not use cell phones while operating
vehicles.

WATCH/WARNING PHASE - For those not under evacuation orders,
understand that there are inherent risks to evacuation (such as
traffic congestion, accidents, and driving in bad weather), so
evacuate only if necessary. Help keep roadways open for those that
are under evacuation orders.

WATCH/WARNING PHASE - If you are exceptionally vulnerable to wind or
water hazards from tropical systems, consider voluntary evacuation,
especially if being officially recommended. Relocate to a
predetermined shelter or safe destination.

WATCH/WARNING PHASE - If evacuating away from the area or relocating
to a nearby shelter, leave early before weather conditions become
hazardous.

IMMINENT/ONGOING PHASE - Do not return to evacuated areas until
hazardous winds diminish and flood waters abate.

RECOVERY PHASE - Do not return to evacuated areas until it is safe.
Listen for the all-clear signal from local authorities.

* OTHER PREPAREDNESS INFORMATION:
Now is the time to bring to completion all preparations to protect
life and property in accordance with your emergency plan.

Outside preparations should be wrapped up as soon as possible before
weather conditions completely deteriorate. Any remaining evacuations
and relocations should be expedited before the onset of tropical
storm force wind.

If you are relocating to safe shelter, leave as early as possible. If
heading to a community shelter, become familiar with the shelter
rules before arrival, especially if you have special needs or own a
pet. Take essential items with you from your Emergency Supplies Kit.
Check the latest weather forecast before departing.

Failure to adequately shelter may result in serious injury or loss of
life. Always heed the advice of local officials and comply with any
orders that are issued. Remember, during the storm 9 1 1 Emergency
Services may not be able to immediately respond if conditions are
unsafe. This should be a big factor in your decision making.

Check-in with your emergency points of contact among family, friends,
and workmates. Inform them of your status and well-being. Let them
know how you intend to ride out the storm and when you plan to
check-in again.

Keep cell phones well charged and handy. Also, cell phone chargers
for automobiles can be helpful after the storm. Locate your chargers
and keep them with your cell phone.

In emergencies it is best to remain calm. Stay informed and focused
on the situation at hand. Exercise patience with those you encounter.
Be a Good Samaritan and helpful to others.

If relocating to a nearby shelter or to the home of a family member
or friend, drive with extra caution, especially on secondary roads.
Remember, many bridges and causeways will be closed once higher winds
arrive. Also, if you encounter water covering the road, seek an
alternate route. Always obey official road signs for closures and
detours.

If you are a visitor and still in the area, listen for the name of
the city or town in which you are staying within local news updates.
Be sure you know the name of the county or parish in which it
resides. Pay attention for instructions from local authorities.

Closely monitor NOAA Weather radio or other local news outlets for
official storm information. Be ready to adapt to possible changes to
the forecast.

* ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF INFORMATION:
- For information on appropriate preparations see ready.gov
- For information on creating an emergency plan see getagameplan.org
- For additional disaster preparedness information see redcross.org

NEXT UPDATE
-----------

The next local statement will be issued by the National Weather
Service in San Juan PR around 530 PM AST, or sooner if conditions
warrant.

$$
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4253 Postby meriland29 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:55 pm

shawn6304 wrote:
meriland29 wrote:I have been trying to do some math based on the current satellite imagery. Is this storm approaching 800 miles in diameter or am I incorrect?



I heard 416 miles across an hour ago


Across yes, but in diameter.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4254 Postby BlowHard » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:55 pm

SeaBrz_FL wrote:
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Arsynic wrote:Good Morning, beautiful...


Beautiful? Sure wish I had the luxury of that emotion. This storm is about to blow apart the world of millions down here. In PR, we have been told to expect to be without electricity for up to three months.


Everyone in the States is worried for you all down there. I hope you and everybody else have left Vieques for the big island. The "little island" is NOT the place to ride out this storm! Prayers to you, stay safe and best of luck.


The big island is under the same onus. They have also been told to expect up to three months without electricity. Remember, a lot of people here work in the tourism industry. For us, we are looking at loss of income, revenue stream, and capital loss. It makes it easy to focus on helping each other because at the end of the day, all we have left is each other.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4255 Postby Extratropical94 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:56 pm

meriland29 wrote:I have been trying to do some math based on the current satellite imagery. Is this storm approaching 800 miles in diameter or am I incorrect?


Depends on where you define the "border" of Irma. 800 miles would be almost 12 degrees.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4256 Postby txwatcher91 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:56 pm

Right now ANY wobbles to the north would be good for the islands. If any of them get in the NE/N side of the eye then it will be REALLY bad. If Irma can wobble north a little and put the islands on the south side of the eye or just outside the eye then it wouldn't be as bad.. It would be terrifying to be there right now. Prayers for all those in the path of this, I wouldn't be surprised if winds are 190 with sub 920 pressure based on satellite.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4257 Postby Orlando » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:57 pm

Collier county FL traffic on I 75 N is heavy already.

Collier county schools are closed at least for Thursday and Friday.

There is a shortage of sand due to it all going to Houston.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4258 Postby BlowHard » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:58 pm

utweather wrote:
BlowHard wrote:
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Yeah, if I lived there I would seriously consider getting a one-way ticket out asap.


It is already too late. Those options disappeared yesterday. Life on small islands is far more tenuous. Far fewer options.


Not for Miami. Good luck in Puerto Rico, I think its forecast to miss you to the north.


Are you for real? A cat five. Closest point center is 65 miles away and it is 400 miles across. Wanna come sit in the yard in a lawn chair and let me know if that feels like a "miss to the north"? There will not be a leaf left in PR OR Vieques.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Recon Discussion Thread

#4259 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:59 pm

Has the next recon take off yet or perhaps there is a delay? I thought NOAA plane should be departing by now according to schedule.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#4260 Postby meriland29 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:59 pm

I was not entirely certain which is why I asked, I said near 800, but that was rough, and partly due to not really knowing where the edge really is.. however this put it into perspective..


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