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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12081 Postby HDGator » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:35 pm

Hurricane Andrew wrote:How are conditions right now in the Port St Lucie, WPB area? Quite important for me to know.


In Palm Beach Gardens. We're getting 50-60mph sustained and still seeing 75mph gusts. Slightly lighter than earlier when the last crazy band passed through but still very strong. The precipitation is sparse but the wind is still showing no signs of lightening up yet.

They appear to be getting the worse on the coast up around Titusville currently (85 mph gusts with the rash of tornados.

We're still under county-wide curfew in Palm Beach until further notice.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12082 Postby jdjaguar » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Somebody must have called NWS JAX from NHC.

they just THIS MINUTE jacked the winds up 20 MpH!

Now expecting 55/75 instead of 35/55 overnight.

Damn.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12083 Postby O Town » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Power gone, water to back door. Generator running in the shed trying to pump water out, not helping much. Wish she'd pick up more foward speed. Gonna be a long night.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12084 Postby cjrciadt » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:40 pm

Possible Tornado moving at 90 mph in Volusia County. I thought above 70 mph movement was totally impossible!!!???
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12085 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:42 pm

caneman wrote:
rickybobby wrote:Wesh 2 thinks the eye can go over Orlando.


It's clearly turned more NW but who really cares, the affects are the same for here in Clearwater to East coast to down south. So who cares about a rather diffuse center going over Tampa, Orlando or Lakeland.


At least there won't be Catastrophic storm surge in Tampa. That was my main concern
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12086 Postby HDGator » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:42 pm

O Town wrote:Power gone, water to back door. Generator running in the shed trying to pump water out, not helping much. Wish she'd pick up more foward speed. Gonna be a long night.


Stay safe O Town. I think you've got quite a ways to go. Depending on your exact location, it looks from the radar that you'll likely have the wind and rain through the night.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12087 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:43 pm

jasons wrote:I'm betting all those folks returning hurricane supplies a couple of days ago are already regretting it.


I can imagine they are banging their heads on the wall. I never understood why they would return hurricane supplies.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12088 Postby NDG » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:45 pm

Still moving due north. If it continues the worst is yet to come to Polk County, western Osceola, Lakeand western Orlando.
We cannot tell what kind of winds are there with the deep convection around the eye, there no reporting stations around it that are reporting.
Radar velocity is showing 105 knots.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12089 Postby JaxGator » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:46 pm

Lost power a half hour ago. Hope it can be restored soon. Got radio on listening to WJXT 4 and about to crank the generator. And got an update on the possible tornado. Could have changed from the time it was posted.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12090 Postby tolakram » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:48 pm

ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Hurricane Irma Discussion Number 48
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
1100 PM EDT Sun Sep 10 2017

Irma's center has moved northward across the western Florida
peninsula since it made landfall earlier this afternoon, and it is
now located over west-central Florida. NOAA WSR-88D radar data from
Tampa Bay are showing 95-100 kt winds at an elevation of about 3500
ft, so the hurricane's intensity is estimated to be 85 kt. Irma
continues to have a large wind field, and exceptional hurricane-
force wind gusts are still occurring well to the east of the center
along the Florida east coast.

Irma appears to be making some progress to the west of due north,
and the longer-term initial motion is 350/12 kt. The cyclone is
expected to swing around the eastern side of a mid-level disturbance
currently located along the U.S. Gulf Coast, which should impart a
north-northwestward to northwestward motion during the next 48
hours. Due to its recent more inland push, Irma's center is now
forecast to remain over Florida and then move over the southeastern
United States for the duration of its existence. Due to continued
land interaction and strong shear of over 30 kt, Irma should
continue to lose strength and fall below hurricane intensity
on Monday. The cyclone is then expected to become a remnant low
over western Tennessee by day 3 and dissipate by day 4.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. There is the danger of life-threatening storm surge flooding
along much of the Florida coast, including the Florida Keys, and
portions of the coasts of Georgia and South Carolina, where a Storm
Surge Warning remains in effect.

2. Irma will continue to bring life-threatening wind impacts to much
of Florida, with hurricane-force winds near the center. Also,
Irma is a large hurricane, and hurricane-force wind gusts and
sustained tropical-storm force winds extend far from the center.
Wind hazards from Irma will also spread northward through Georgia
and into portions of Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, and North
Carolina.

3. Irma continues to produce very heavy rain and inland flooding
across much of Florida, and these rains will spread into the rest
of the southeast United States. Intense rainfall rates of 2 to 4
inches per hour is leading to flash flooding and rapid rises on
creeks, streams, and rivers. Significant river flooding is likely
over the next five days in the Florida peninsula and southern
Georgia, where average rainfall totals of 8 to 15 inches and
isolated 20 inch amounts are expected. Significant river flooding is
possible beginning Monday and Tuesday in much of eastern and central
Georgia, western South Carolina, and western North Carolina, where
average rainfall of 3 to 8 inches and isolated 12 inch amounts are
expected. The southern Appalachian Mountains will be especially
vulnerable to flash flooding. Irma is also expected to produce
average amounts of 2 to 5 inches in parts of Mississippi, Alabama
and Tennessee, where isolated higher amounts and local flooding may
occur.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 11/0300Z 27.5N 81.9W 85 KT 100 MPH...INLAND
12H 11/1200Z 29.4N 82.8W 65 KT 75 MPH...INLAND
24H 12/0000Z 31.9N 84.7W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
36H 12/1200Z 33.9N 86.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
48H 13/0000Z 35.0N 88.6W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
72H 14/0000Z 37.5N 87.8W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND
96H 15/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12091 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:49 pm

jdjaguar wrote:Somebody must have called NWS JAX from NHC.

they just THIS MINUTE jacked the winds up 20 MpH!

Now expecting 55/75 instead of 35/55 overnight.

Damn.


Well, Heck we have been getting close to those winds here at my location for the past couple of hours. It is only beginning. There are severe bands rotating onshore in Volusia and Brevard counties spreading inland toward Greater Orlando area. Those bands I am certain have gusts well over hurricane force. Those bands are migrating northwest as the night progresses.

I can not help but think that the NHC will have to adjust their projected track farther east based on the due north motion of Irma up the spine of the peninsula currently. No way t
Irma is riding up and along the West Coast . znot even close.

There will be s ignificsntbwind damage , much more than anticipated across Central and North Florida.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12092 Postby abajan » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:54 pm

Irma's tropical storm force wind field has expanded significantly! To quote from the 11 PM advisory:

Irma has a very large wind field. Hurricane-force winds extend
outward up to 80 miles (130 km) from the center, and tropical-storm-
force winds extend outward up to 415 miles (665 km).

:eek:
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12093 Postby HDGator » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:55 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:
jasons wrote:I'm betting all those folks returning hurricane supplies a couple of days ago are already regretting it.


I can imagine they are banging their heads on the wall. I never understood why they would return hurricane supplies.


I believe it's just one more symptom of the communication problem that NHC and NWS has with the general public. One of their worst enemies is the forecast track line. Everyone pays attention to the line as a line. When it's forecast to be 100 miles away, I'm obviously safe. Whenever tv mets get on the air their first words are "We have a new forecast track and it's shifted...".

I bet if you had a conversation with the 98% of the population in central Florida that are surprised tonight they would say "But I thought the hurricane was staying in the GOM". For some reason, the fact that they've been under a hurricane warning and told to expect potential hurricane conditions was completely ignored.

I guarantee this communication problem will be a prime topic of conversation when these winds die down. NHC and NWS will defend their statements as perfectly clear while a surprised and damaged population will scream for their heads. The only saving grace will be that it will be months before they get power back to write an email to their legislator and they'll be pissed with the power company (FPL, Duke, etc.) more than the weather forecasters and tv mets.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12094 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:56 pm

abajan wrote:Irma's tropical storm force wind field has expanded significantly! To quote from the 11 PM advisory:

Irma has a very large wind field. Hurricane-force winds extend
outward up to 80 miles (130 km) from the center, and tropical-storm-
force winds extend outward up to 415 miles (665 km).

:eek:


That's getting close to the size of Sandy! (I know that storm it went out 520)
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12095 Postby NDG » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:56 pm

Deepening convection with Irma tonight.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12096 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:57 pm

HDGator wrote:
Ptarmigan wrote:
jasons wrote:I'm betting all those folks returning hurricane supplies a couple of days ago are already regretting it.


I can imagine they are banging their heads on the wall. I never understood why they would return hurricane supplies.


I believe it's just one more symptom of the communication problem that NHC and NWS has with the general public. One of their worst enemies is the forecast track line. Everyone pays attention to the line as a line. When it's forecast to be 100 miles away, I'm obviously safe. Whenever tv mets get on the air their first words are "We have a new forecast track and it's shifted...".

I bet if you had a conversation with the 98% of the population in central Florida that are surprised tonight they would say "But I thought the hurricane was staying in the GOM". For some reason, the fact that they've been under a hurricane warning and told to expect potential hurricane conditions was completely ignored.

I guarantee this communication problem will be a prime topic of conversation when these winds die down. NHC and NWS will defend their statements as perfectly clear while a surprised and damaged population will scream for their heads. The only saving grace will be that it will be months before they get power back to write an email to their legislator and they'll be pissed with the power company (FPL, Duke, etc.) more than the weather forecasters and tv mets.


No one in the state should have been surprised. Except for the western Panhandle, most of the state has been under a hurricane warning. Only a few counties (mainly around Pensacola) have not been in any tropical headlines.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12097 Postby Centralflamama » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:01 pm

In Polk county. Winds picking up big time in the last 15 minutes.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12098 Postby NDG » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:03 pm

I am lucky I still have power tonight, thanks to underground wires in our subdivision and the substation we feed from is a quarter of a mile from us, there were wind gusts over hurricane force winds with the squall line that moved through the last couple of hours, transformers were lighting up the sky green the whole time.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12099 Postby HDGator » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:04 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
HDGator wrote:
Ptarmigan wrote:
I can imagine they are banging their heads on the wall. I never understood why they would return hurricane supplies.


I believe it's just one more symptom of the communication problem that NHC and NWS has with the general public. One of their worst enemies is the forecast track line. Everyone pays attention to the line as a line. When it's forecast to be 100 miles away, I'm obviously safe. Whenever tv mets get on the air their first words are "We have a new forecast track and it's shifted...".

I bet if you had a conversation with the 98% of the population in central Florida that are surprised tonight they would say "But I thought the hurricane was staying in the GOM". For some reason, the fact that they've been under a hurricane warning and told to expect potential hurricane conditions was completely ignored.

I guarantee this communication problem will be a prime topic of conversation when these winds die down. NHC and NWS will defend their statements as perfectly clear while a surprised and damaged population will scream for their heads. The only saving grace will be that it will be months before they get power back to write an email to their legislator and they'll be pissed with the power company (FPL, Duke, etc.) more than the weather forecasters and tv mets.


No one in the state should have been surprised. Except for the western Panhandle, most of the state has been under a hurricane warning. Only a few counties (mainly around Pensacola) have not been in any tropical headlines.


Yes, I agree and that is my point. The message is clear to everyone that can read and understand what a hurricane warning means. But the average Joe just doesn't get it. How many people do you think took down or never put up their shutters on the east coast of Florida and have endured 80-90mph gusts all afternoon? As soon as the line shifted from the east coast to the west coast, the all clear was sounded for the east coast. Anyone who took a glance at this beast's wind field still expected a very damaging storm on the east coast. But the average Joe never got the message.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12100 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:05 pm

The convection in the band to the northwest of Irma is going to bring some gusty winds to the panhandle tomorrow.
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