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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2661 Postby Michele B » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:20 pm

sweetpea wrote:I still haven't heard from my dad or any of my family. I did find out that my dad's barrio is extensively damaged, it is totally underwater and all wooden structures are gone. His house is poured concrete, I am hoping it is just flooded. He did go to my uncles house in Salinas, his house does sit higher. His town Salinas has extensive damage, a quote from the governor of PR "that they still could not communicate with the southeastern part of the island, which was hit earliest and hardest by the storm." So our family is in waiting mode, so stressful I am just tired.

I hope people have been able to check in here from Puerto Rico, I haven't really had a chance to go back and look. Please keep prayers coming!!


Do not stress, sweetpea!

Many are praying for your family! Plus, if they are "experienced" in riding out hurricanes, they knew what to do. I'm sure their lack of communicating with you is due to their being unable to get a signal out.

All will be well. :wink:
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2662 Postby Exalt » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:22 pm

flamingosun wrote:Winds officially up to 120 mph, still NW
000
WTNT35 KNHC 211734
TCPAT5

BULLETIN
Hurricane Maria Intermediate Advisory Number 22A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL152017
200 PM AST Thu Sep 21 2017

...MARIA A LITTLE STRONGER AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE TURKS AND CAICOS
ISLANDS...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM AST...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...20.4N 69.4W
ABOUT 85 MI...140 KM ENE OF PUERTO PLATA DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ABOUT 135 MI...215 KM SE OF GRAND TURK ISLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...120 MPH...195 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...960 MB...28.35 INCHES


A bit weird since solid evidence of 115kt winds were found and the Vortex message concurred..
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2663 Postby sweetpea » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:51 pm

Michele B wrote:
sweetpea wrote:I still haven't heard from my dad or any of my family. I did find out that my dad's barrio is extensively damaged, it is totally underwater and all wooden structures are gone. His house is poured concrete, I am hoping it is just flooded. He did go to my uncles house in Salinas, his house does sit higher. His town Salinas has extensive damage, a quote from the governor of PR "that they still could not communicate with the southeastern part of the island, which was hit earliest and hardest by the storm." So our family is in waiting mode, so stressful I am just tired.

I hope people have been able to check in here from Puerto Rico, I haven't really had a chance to go back and look. Please keep prayers coming!!


Do not stress, sweetpea!

Many are praying for your family! Plus, if they are "experienced" in riding out hurricanes, they knew what to do. I'm sure their lack of communicating with you is due to their being unable to get a signal out.

All will be well. :wink:


Thank you!!
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2664 Postby Dave C » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:53 pm

abajan wrote:The situation in Dominica (not to be confused with the Dominican Republic), as told by their prime minister, Roosevelt Skerrit.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2665 Postby Otown_Wx » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:01 pm

sweetpea wrote:I still haven't heard from my dad or any of my family. I did find out that my dad's barrio is extensively damaged, it is totally underwater and all wooden structures are gone. His house is poured concrete, I am hoping it is just flooded. He did go to my uncles house in Salinas, his house does sit higher. His town Salinas has extensive damage, a quote from the governor of PR "that they still could not communicate with the southeastern part of the island, which was hit earliest and hardest by the storm." So our family is in waiting mode, so stressful I am just tired.

I hope people have been able to check in here from Puerto Rico, I haven't really had a chance to go back and look. Please keep prayers coming!!


I don't think anyone can get in touch with anyone in PR. I been calling my family all day in different parts of the island and calls don't go thru. Tough situation atm.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2666 Postby hawaiigirl » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:12 pm

Hey everyone, trying to get a hold of family in Arecibo. Does anyone have any updates? Mahalo
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2667 Postby tropicwatch » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Exalt wrote:
flamingosun wrote:Winds officially up to 120 mph, still NW
000
WTNT35 KNHC 211734
TCPAT5

BULLETIN
Hurricane Maria Intermediate Advisory Number 22A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL152017
200 PM AST Thu Sep 21 2017

...MARIA A LITTLE STRONGER AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE TURKS AND CAICOS
ISLANDS...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM AST...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...20.4N 69.4W
ABOUT 85 MI...140 KM ENE OF PUERTO PLATA DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ABOUT 135 MI...215 KM SE OF GRAND TURK ISLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...120 MPH...195 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...960 MB...28.35 INCHES


A bit weird since solid evidence of 115kt winds were found and the Vortex message concurred..


Unless they were reading the previous vortex message which included the NE quad which had 120mph. Either way winds appear to be steadily increasing.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2668 Postby 1900hurricane » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Based on the NHC Forecast Discussion, it appears the SFMR wind readings from the most recent flight were running a little hot, hence the 105 kt vs 115.

ZCZC MIATCDAT5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Hurricane Maria Discussion Number 22
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL152017
1100 AM AST Thu Sep 21 2017

Maria is maintaining a large, 40 nm wide eye, and overall, the
hurricane's satellite presentation has not changed since the
previous advisory. An Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft
investigating the system has not measured flight-level winds as
high as last evening's mission, and the central pressure has
remained relatively steady. Although there were higher SFMR winds
measured, especially to the northeast of the center, the flight
meteorologist reported that the instrument appears to be running
5-10 kt too high. Therefore, the initial intensity is held at 100
kt.


Maria appears to be moving over the remnant cold wake leftover from
Hurricane Irma, but it should begin to move over an area of higher
oceanic heat content during the next 24 hours or so. Therefore,
some strengthening is still forecast, although it is not especially
aggressive given what the latest intensity guidance is showing.
Gradual weakening is likely from 48 hours onward due to some
increase in southwesterly shear, as well as lower oceanic heat
content over the western Atlantic. Still, Maria is expected to
remain a hurricane for the next 5 days.

The initial motion is northwestward, or 310/8 kt. Maria will be
moving between a mid-level high centered south of Bermuda and a
broad trough extending from Tropical Storm Jose southwestward into
the northern Gulf of Mexico. As a result, Maria is expected to
turn gradually north-northwestward to north-northeastward by the
end of the forecast period, keeping it over the waters of the
western Atlantic after moving by the Turks and Caicos Islands and
the southeastern Bahamas. The track models continue to be tightly
clustered, and the updated NHC track forecast lies right along the
previous forecast, down the middle of the guidance envelope.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Flash flood emergencies continue in portions of Puerto Rico due
to persistent heavy rainfall from Maria's trailing rainbands.
Catastrophic flooding is occurring on the island, especially in
areas of mountainous terrain, and everyone in Puerto Rico should
continue to follow advice from local officials to avoid these
life-threatening flooding conditions.

2. A Hurricane Warning is in effect for the northern coast of the
Dominican Republic, the Turks and Caicos Islands, and the
southeastern Bahamas, where Maria is expected to bring dangerous
wind, storm surge, and heavy rainfall.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 21/1500Z 20.2N 69.1W 100 KT 115 MPH
12H 22/0000Z 21.0N 69.9W 105 KT 120 MPH
24H 22/1200Z 22.2N 70.7W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 23/0000Z 23.6N 71.4W 100 KT 115 MPH
48H 23/1200Z 25.1N 71.9W 95 KT 110 MPH
72H 24/1200Z 28.2N 72.3W 95 KT 110 MPH
96H 25/1200Z 30.5N 71.5W 85 KT 100 MPH
120H 26/1200Z 33.0N 70.0W 75 KT 85 MPH

$$
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2671 Postby bob rulz » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:26 pm

Storm seems to be becoming more symmetrical and the eyewall convection looks healthier. I still think a return to cat 4 is very possible. It wouldn't take much strengthening to get there.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2672 Postby bghowie » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:30 pm

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

Is this the correct level to be looking at steering? Could this be an issue down the road?
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2673 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:34 pm

bghowie wrote:http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8&prod=dlm1&zoom=&time=

Is this the correct level to be looking at steering? Could this be an issue down the road?


No, look at the buttons up top for your selection:

TC MSLP/Vmax: >1000mb/<45kts

This is low level steering for a weak tropical storm. You want to look at this: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

or the stronger one: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

AND MOST IMPORTANT, this is just a snapshot today of the upper level winds. :)
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2674 Postby bghowie » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:36 pm

tolakram wrote:
bghowie wrote:http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8&prod=dlm1&zoom=&time=

Is this the correct level to be looking at steering? Could this be an issue down the road?


No, look at the buttons up top for your selection:

TC MSLP/Vmax: >1000mb/<45kts

This is low level steering for a weak tropical storm. You want to look at this: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

or the stronger one: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

AND MOST IMPORTANT, this is just a snapshot today of the upper level winds. :)


Gracias! This makes much more sense now. Thank you for helping this amateur out.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2675 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:39 pm

bghowie wrote:
tolakram wrote:
bghowie wrote:http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8&prod=dlm1&zoom=&time=

Is this the correct level to be looking at steering? Could this be an issue down the road?


No, look at the buttons up top for your selection:

TC MSLP/Vmax: >1000mb/<45kts

This is low level steering for a weak tropical storm. You want to look at this: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

or the stronger one: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/d ... oom=&time=

AND MOST IMPORTANT, this is just a snapshot today of the upper level winds. :)


Gracias! This makes much more sense now. Thank you for helping this amateur out.


You can look at some of the higher level wind forecasts from the GFS, though as an amateur myself I have the hardest time reading these. :)

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=atl&pkg=pv355K&runtime=2017092112&fh=0&xpos=0&ypos=127
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2676 Postby flamingosun » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:39 pm

From NHC's 5 PM Advisory - areas of both hurricane and tropical storm force winds have broadened:

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km) from
the center, and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 160
miles
(260 km).
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2677 Postby artist » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:39 pm

sweetpea wrote:I still haven't heard from my dad or any of my family. I did find out that my dad's barrio is extensively damaged, it is totally underwater and all wooden structures are gone. His house is poured concrete, I am hoping it is just flooded. He did go to my uncles house in Salinas, his house does sit higher. His town Salinas has extensive damage, a quote from the governor of PR "that they still could not communicate with the southeastern part of the island, which was hit earliest and hardest by the storm." So our family is in waiting mode, so stressful I am just tired.

I hope people have been able to check in here from Puerto Rico, I haven't really had a chance to go back and look. Please keep prayers coming!!

Try now to reach relatives there, for an hour they have some mobile cell tower up, it then will be for emergency communications only.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2678 Postby msbee » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:17 pm

Has anyone heard from cycloneye?
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2679 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:21 pm

msbee wrote:Has anyone heard from cycloneye?

Haven't heard of him, news reports and government officials say PR's power grid has collapsed resulting in all residents without power
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2680 Postby WeatherGuesser » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:39 pm

msbee wrote:Has anyone heard from cycloneye?



No one should expect to hear from anyone in PR for at least a week, probably longer. They have no power or communications on the island at all and may not for quite some time.
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