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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4901 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:26 am

Ntxw wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:For the third day in a row SOI is double digit negative at -10


Really interesting, we should be approaching El Nino base state 30 day average territory shouldn't we ?


We should be. Its been predominantly negative this winter so far against the Nina base state. So when we see P3/4 this needs to be considered there is a mixed signal

It's like we are getting a cold Canada in a Nina background base state, but Nino like delivery from the Pacific side. Some years the delivery doesn't happen and cold is always bottled up north and we are zonal like 2011-2012


On top of all this, throw in the potential for a SSW to occur as this wave moves through the Northern Pacific and possibly into the Arctic

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4902 Postby OKMet83 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:41 am

My current thoughts:

Anything on Thursday should stay well North of the Red River in Oklahoma. Even that appears to be on the light side mostly flurries, I wouldn't rule out an isolated dusting but nothing to write home about... The other event which is starting to take shape for the early to middle part of next week could have more significant impacts for at least portions of Northern TX. Models are showing 4-6 inches of snow in a wide swath of Central/SE OK down into N.TX but don't get too excited yet! I have concerns that in that setup we could see a higher-end ICE event... Nothing locked in but if you are following this group and have travel plans around next Tue/Wed stay tuned to the latest information! :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4903 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:43 am

Safe to say the GFS is a little confused at the moment....check out the change over the past 2 runs :double:

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4904 Postby wxman22 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:04 pm

The Canadian is still on board for a winter storm fwiw, even has the snow line moving as far south as south central Texas and northern parts of southeast Texas.Beleive it or not the Canadian has done better so far this season when it comes to wintry precip than the Euro or GFS (with the south Texas snow a month ago, and the light snow that fell over parts of Southeast Texas and Louisiana last week).

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4905 Postby DFWLady » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:23 pm

wxman22 wrote:The Canadian is still on board for a winter storm fwiw, even has the snow line moving as far south as south central Texas and northern parts of southeast Texas.Beleive it or not the Canadian has done better so far this season when it comes to wintry precip than the Euro or GFS (with the south Texas snow a month ago, and the light snow that fell over parts of Southeast Texas and Louisiana last week).

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... cus_32.png

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... cus_33.png



I would be thrilled if this verified! :ggreen:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4906 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:47 pm

Euro.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4907 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:53 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Euro.


Yep, somewhat similar to Canadian and definitely more favorable than the wacky GFS...rain to snow as temps fall below freezing Monday night/Tuesday morning.

Although, the worrisome part is that these systems have been trending east over time once into this range

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4908 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:13 pm

Barring the Canadian model ever being right, I'm just not seeing any significant chance of winter weather across the DFW area over the next couple of weeks. Hmm, it appears that now the Canadian weather sucks at forecasting tropical storms, winter precip, and temperatures. Is it good for anything besides a laugh? 12Z Euro still indicates very limited moisture in the cold air Friday/Saturday. It does indicate a potential ice storm across NE Arkansas and northeast of there. Nothing as far south as Texas or Louisiana, though. Euro has freezing temps across the DFW area Friday-Monday, with low-mid 20s for Sunday morning. Just a light freeze for the Houston area Monday. Reinforcing shot of cold air next Tuesday. Below-normal temps to continue through 240 hrs.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4909 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:18 pm

wxman57 wrote:Barring the Canadian model ever being right, I'm just not seeing any significant chance of winter weather across the DFW area over the next couple of weeks. Hmm, it appears that now the Canadian weather sucks at forecasting tropical storms, winter precip, and temperatures. Is it good for anything besides a laugh? 12Z Euro still indicates very limited moisture in the cold air Friday/Saturday. It does indicate a potential ice storm across NE Arkansas and northeast of there. Nothing as far south as Texas or Louisiana, though. Euro has freezing temps across the DFW area Friday-Monday, with low-mid 20s for Sunday morning. Just a light freeze for the Houston area Monday. Reinforcing shot of cold air next Tuesday. Below-normal temps to continue through 240 hrs.

All models have been terrible this winter, but at least the Canadian has proven to be a good early warning system for potential winter storms across the South even if it does tend to be overly aggressive. The NAM has been the best once within three days as usual. GFS and Euro op runs have just been shots in the dark mostly. This winter it is ensembles until within NAM range really.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4910 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:23 pm

I am going to be very interested in the NAM runs tomorrow as the Canadian is very close to showing some wintery precip Friday morning in E TX on the back side of the surface low with a closed upper low overhead.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4911 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:23 pm

wxman57 wrote:Barring the Canadian model ever being right, I'm just not seeing any significant chance of winter weather across the DFW area over the next couple of weeks. Hmm, it appears that now the Canadian weather sucks at forecasting tropical storms, winter precip, and temperatures. Is it good for anything besides a laugh? 12Z Euro still indicates very limited moisture in the cold air Friday/Saturday. It does indicate a potential ice storm across NE Arkansas and northeast of there. Nothing as far south as Texas or Louisiana, though. Euro has freezing temps across the DFW area Friday-Monday, with low-mid 20s for Sunday morning. Just a light freeze for the Houston area Monday. Reinforcing shot of cold air next Tuesday. Below-normal temps to continue through 240 hrs.


Ignoring the European model now - the model that finally has the North Texas snowstorm you've been looking for ??

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4912 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:31 pm

I'll take the Euro over the Canadian any day :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4913 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:33 pm

orangeblood wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Euro.


Yep, somewhat similar to Canadian and definitely more favorable than the wacky GFS...rain to snow as temps fall below freezing Monday night/Tuesday morning.

Although, the worrisome part is that these systems have been trending east over time once into this range

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... p_us_9.png


It's not a huge change at H5 from 00z to 12z and the 00z EPS showed the potential for something. It's intriguing that it's approaching the 7 day timeframe but we need to see some consistency.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4914 Postby PTrackerLA » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:36 pm

:uarrow:

:lol: 12z Euro has most of Texas and Louisiana below normal from day 3.5-10, a big departure from previous runs. Snow for Dallas area, northern LA and Arkansas along with ice during that run. Some cold rains in my neck of the woods but opens the door for some winter wx action close to home. Looks good to me, I'll take it!
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4915 Postby wxman22 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:38 pm

12z Euro has a winter storm for north Texas fwiw
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4916 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:11 pm

wxman22 wrote:12z Euro has a winter storm for north Texas fwiw


Yeah, a bit too far out to have any confidence in the snow forecast (8 days). Something to keep an eye on.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4917 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:23 pm

wxman57 wrote:
wxman22 wrote:12z Euro has a winter storm for north Texas fwiw


Yeah, a bit too far out to have any confidence in the snow forecast (8 days). Something to keep an eye on.


That storm doesn't have much backing from it's ensemble members so extremely low confidence of it verifying at this time.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4918 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:36 pm

I was under the impression phase 2 wasn't favorable due to the upper air pattern but i see where i was wrong! Looks like its favorable for big HP's coming in slightly mountain west based. I like it since it favors a stormier inter mountain west.

I was hoping the canadian got the SE winter event right we were expecting last week, i would have fallen in love with it. It was close but it was slightly aggressive.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4919 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:54 pm

EWX hinting had a pattern change next week.

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FXUS64 KEWX 082128
AFDEWX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
328 PM CST Mon Jan 8 2018

.SHORT TERM (Tonight through Tuesday)...

No major weather highlights in the short term as near to slightly
above normal temperatures occur today and Tuesday under clear skies.

Latest water vapor and RAP analysis indicate south-central Texas is
on the back side of a departing shortwave trough now over the Gulf of
Mexico with upstream shortwave ridging occurring over the desert
Southwest. The deeper north flow today will relax overnight with
surface winds shifting to the east and then the south by tomorrow as
the in situ airmass modifies. Despite the gusty winds today,
temperatures have reached into the mid 60s to low 70s across the
region. Given the lighter flow and further airmass modification with
warmer H925 temperatures tomorrow, surface temperatures should be
similar to 1-2F degrees warmer. PWATs will remain below 0.5" through
Tuesday with clear skies persisting.

&&

.LONG TERM (Wednesday through Monday)...

Main highlight during this period will be a strong cold front passage
Thursday morning that will bring only limited rain chances to far
east Coastal Plains locations. Gusty north winds will occur behind
the front Thursday and a series of freezing low temperatures are
expected late week and into the weekend.

One last warm day will occur Wednesday as above normal temperatures
of +5F to +8F degrees occur as H5 flow becomes southwesterly.
Moisture will attempt to return to the region with surface dewpoints
increasing into the mid 50s and PWATs to 0.9-1.1" (75th percentile
for this time of year) across the Coastal Plains Wednesday to early
Thursday morning. There is still some question to overall moisture
depth and flux and any destabilization appears minimal at this time.
Despite the stronger mid-level forcing and surface convergence,
models suggest mid- and upper-levels will remain too dry for
widespread rain showers and a confined warm sector. The far eastern
Coastal Plains will likely have the only limited rain chance with the
passage of the front. Gusty north winds will occur behind the front
with temperatures falling back to near to slightly below normal
Thursday.

The driest air will arrive Friday and linger through the weekend with
dewpoints in the teens and 20s. A series of freezing low
temperature mornings will be likely as a strong surface high
pressure system develops over the Central Plains.

By early next week, long range models indicate a warm front shifting
north over the region that could bring increased rain chances in
conjunction with a brisk moving southern jet-stream branch Pacific
trough. Stay tuned as this system evolves and confidence narrows on a
particular solution
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#4920 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:30 pm

18z GFS is similar to the 12z Euro, just not as cold. It keeps majority of the winter wx up in OK & AR. The 12z Euro EPS didn't really support the Op but it's not uncommon for the Op to pick up trends before the EPS. That the 18z GFS trended towards the Euro is usually a clue that the Euro might sniffing something out that even the EPS missed. I'm now very interested in the 00z runs.
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