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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2081 Postby wxman57 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:23 am

Dean4Storms wrote:Recon position of the center makes it a due north movement. So much for radar and satellite.


Those recon reports may or may not be the precise center. Have to look at an average over a period of 6 hours or so to get movement. That said, satellite indicates 350 deg at 12 kts over the past 2.5 hrs.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2082 Postby stormhunter7 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:30 am

my concern is this thing will ramp up later this afternoon. Looking at low level WV... its starting to fire some showers on SE side. Which will help erode the low to mid level dry air. Also the feeder bands on the SW side will start to wrap around. The upper level winds to the WSW of center are fanning out and not blowing across the system. The coc is still wound up, and may try to follow that recent convection to the nw? Also the southern leg of recon gradually shows the temps/dewpts climbing.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2083 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:33 am

wxman57 wrote:
Dean4Storms wrote:Recon position of the center makes it a due north movement. So much for radar and satellite.


Those recon reports may or may not be the precise center. Have to look at an average over a period of 6 hours or so to get movement. That said, satellite indicates 350 deg at 12 kts over the past 2.5 hrs.


Do you see the negative tilt in the trough creating a storm with a stronger west side? Or does he shake the dry air and get underneath the trough enough to become more organized?
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2084 Postby stormhunter7 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:38 am

1100 AM EDT Sun May 27 2018

...ALBERTO MOVING NORTHWARD TOWARD THE NORTHERN GULF COAST...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.1N 84.4W
ABOUT 130 MI...210 KM WSW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
ABOUT 185 MI...295 KM SSE OF APALACHICOLA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 5 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...994 MB...29.36 INCHES
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Advisories

#2085 Postby cycloneye » Sun May 27, 2018 9:41 am

BULLETIN
Subtropical Storm Alberto Advisory Number 9
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL012018
1100 AM EDT Sun May 27 2018

...ALBERTO MOVING NORTHWARD TOWARD THE NORTHERN GULF COAST...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.1N 84.4W
ABOUT 130 MI...210 KM WSW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
ABOUT 185 MI...295 KM SSE OF APALACHICOLA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 5 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...994 MB...29.36 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The Tropical Storm Warning for the Dry Tortugas has been
discontinued.

The Tropical Storm Watch along the north-central Gulf Coast has
been discontinued.

The Storm Surge Watch has been discontinued west of the
Florida/Alabama border.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for...
* Crystal River to the Florida/Alabama border

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Bonita Beach to the Mississippi/Alabama border

A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life-
threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the
coastline, in the indicated locations. For a depiction of areas at
risk, please see the National Weather Service Storm Surge
Watch/Warning Graphic, available at hurricanes.gov.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area.

For storm information specific to your area, including possible
inland watches and warnings, please monitor products issued by your
local National Weather Service forecast office.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1100 AM EDT (1500 UTC), the center of Subtropical Storm Alberto
was located near latitude 27.1 North, longitude 84.4 West. The
storm is moving toward the north near 14 mph (22 km/h). A turn
toward the north-northwest at a slower forward speed is forecast
tonight. A north-northwestward to northward motion is expected late
Monday through Wednesday. On the forecast track, the center of
Alberto will cross the eastern and northern Gulf of Mexico today and
approach the northern Gulf Coast in the warning area tonight or
Monday. Heavy rainfall and tropical storm conditions will likely
reach the northern Gulf Coast well before the arrival of the center
of Alberto. Alberto is expected to move northward into the
Tennessee Valley on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 50 mph (85 km/h) with
higher gusts. Some additional strengthening is forecast before the
system reaches the northern Gulf Coast. Steady weakening is
expected after landfall, and Alberto is forecast to become a
tropical depression by Monday night or Tuesday.

Winds of 40 mph extend outward up to 125 miles (205 km) primarily to
the east of the center.

The latest minimum central pressure reported by an Air Force
Reserve reconnaissance aircraft is 994 mb (29.36 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
RAINFALL: Alberto is expected to produce the following rain
accumulations through Tuesday:

Central Cuba...Additional 5 to 10 inches, isolated storm totals of
20 inches.

The Florida panhandle into eastern Alabama and western Georgia...4
to 8 inches, isolated 12 inches.

The Florida Keys and south Florida...Additional 3 to 6 inches,
isolated storm totals of 10 inches.

Rest of the Florida peninsula...1 to 4 inches.

Rest of the southeast U.S. from Tennessee to the Carolinas...2 to 6
inches.

Rains in Cuba could produce life-threatening flash floods and
mudslides. Flooding and flash flooding are possible in the southeast
United States, including Florida.

WIND: Tropical storm conditions will spread northward in the
warning area along the west coast of Florida today and will reach
the warning area along the northern Gulf Coast by this evening.

STORM SURGE: The combination of storm surge and the tide will cause
normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by rising waters
moving inland from the shoreline. The water could reach the
following heights above ground somewhere in the indicated
areas if the peak surge occurs at the time of high tide...

Crystal River to the Florida/Alabama border...2 to 4 ft

The deepest water will occur along the immediate coast. Surge-
related flooding depends on the relative timing of the surge
and the tidal cycle, and can vary greatly over short distances. For
information specific to your area, please see products issued by
your local National Weather Service forecast office.

TORNADOES: A few tornadoes are possible across the Florida
peninsula today.

SURF: Swells generated by Alberto will affect the eastern and
northern Gulf Coast through Tuesday. These swells are likely
to cause life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. For more
information, consult products from your local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 200 PM EDT.
Next complete advisory at 500 PM EDT.

$$
Forecaster Brown




Subtropical Storm Alberto Discussion Number 9
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL012018
1100 AM EDT Sun May 27 2018

The satellite and radar presentation of Alberto has improved
markedly over the past 12 hours or so. Deep convection has
increased and become organized in a primary band that wraps around
the western and northwestern portions of the storm and the
circulation has also become much better defined than 24 hours ago.
An Air Force Reserve reconnaissance aircraft has recently indicated
that the pressure has fallen to 994 mb. The aircraft has also
reported peak flight-level winds of 49 kt and believable SFMR winds
of around 40 kt, however, the aircraft has not yet sampled the
northwestern portion of the circulation where the deepest convection
is located. Assuming that there are slightly higher winds in that
area, the initial intensity has been increased to 45 kt.

With deep convection closer to the center and a slightly smaller
radius of maximum winds, it appears that Alberto is beginning its
transition to a tropical cyclone. The reconnaissance aircraft data
also indicate that a shallow warm core is present. It is likely
that Alberto will make the transition to tropical storm later today
or tonight. As this transition occurs, some additional
strengthening is forecast while Alberto moves over marginally warm
sea surface temperatures and the shear relaxes. However, dry mid-
level air wrapping around the eastern portion of the circulation
could slow the intensification process before Alberto reaches the
coast.

The initial motion estimate of 005/12 is again highly uncertain due
to the center re-formations that have occurred over the past 12 to
24 hours. The cyclone should move generally northward today, then
turn northwestward around the northeastern side of a cutoff low over
the central Gulf of Mexico. The timing and location of landfall of
the center will be dependent on when the northwestward turn occurs.
The latest ECMWF forecast moves Alberto faster northward before it
makes the turn and therefore brings the center onshore much sooner
and farther eastward than the UKMET and GFS. The NHC forecast is
near the model consensus, and is somewhat faster than the previous
advisory. Users should remember not to focus on the exact timing
and location of landfall since wind and rain will continue to spread
northward over the northeastern Gulf Coast well ahead of the center.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Alberto is expected to produce heavy rainfall with a risk of
flooding and flash flooding over western Cuba, the Florida Keys, and
south Florida today. The risk for heavy rainfall and flooding will
then spread over much of the southeast U.S. tonight and Monday.

2. Hazardous storm surge is possible along portions of the eastern
Gulf Coast beginning later today, including areas well east of the
track of Alberto's center. Residents in the storm surge watch area
are encouraged to follow any guidance given by their local
government officials.

3. Tropical storm conditions are likely within the tropical storm
warning area along the Florida west coast today and within the
warning area along the northern Gulf Coast by tonight.

4. Dangerous surf and rip current conditions will continue to
affect portions of the eastern and northern Gulf Coast through
Monday.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 27/1500Z 27.1N 84.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 28/0000Z 28.7N 84.9W 50 KT 60 MPH...TROPICAL STORM
24H 28/1200Z 30.3N 85.9W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND
36H 29/0000Z 31.6N 86.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
48H 29/1200Z 33.6N 86.7W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
72H 30/1200Z 38.3N 87.2W 20 KT 25 MPH...INLAND
96H 31/1200Z 43.3N 84.7W 15 KT 15 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 01/1200Z 46.5N 79.5W 15 KT 15 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
Forecaster Brown
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2086 Postby ronjon » Sun May 27, 2018 9:45 am

caneman wrote:
ronjon wrote:Yes this might be one of lower rainfall total tropical cyclones due to all the dry air wrapping into the circulation. Perhaps daytime heating over the peninsula will fire up more storms this afternoon.

For us on the West coast though Ronjon our total rainfall from since about May 13 is probably off the charts. I still dont think our water temp has hit 80. I am ready for summer!


Agreed...but i feel sorry for all the businesses that will suffer this weekend due to this nuisance storm. Lots of plans cancelled. I've received a total of 0.2 inches so far...
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2087 Postby MGC » Sun May 27, 2018 9:57 am

I'm wondering it the LLC and MCL are decoupling...LLC heading north, MCL heading NW? Long range radar out of Tampa clearly shows the MCL headed NW yet recon says LLC moving north. Doubt Alberto gets much stronger.....MGC
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2088 Postby gatorcane » Sun May 27, 2018 10:00 am

The constant shifting track as seen by the archive loop below, nothing but east shifts since the get-go:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/A ... _with_line
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2089 Postby ColdMiser123 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:05 am

Core temperature up about a degree Celsius since the last pass. Extrapolated pressure also down ~2 mb since the previous pass.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2090 Postby caneman » Sun May 27, 2018 10:07 am

ronjon wrote:
caneman wrote:
ronjon wrote:Yes this might be one of lower rainfall total tropical cyclones due to all the dry air wrapping into the circulation. Perhaps daytime heating over the peninsula will fire up more storms this afternoon.

For us on the West coast though Ronjon our total rainfall from since about May 13 is probably off the charts. I still dont think our water temp has hit 80. I am ready for summer!




Agreed...but i feel sorry for all the businesses that will suffer this weekend due to this nuisance storm. Lots of plans cancelled. I've received a total of 0.2 inches so far...


I drove thru a ton of rain yesterday between Indian Rocks and Ft. Meyers yesterday. Not sure what rainfall totals are for different cities. Hopefully tomorrow will be nice to salvage some of this weekend.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2091 Postby caneman » Sun May 27, 2018 10:09 am

gatorcane wrote:The constant shifting track as seen by the archive loop below, nothing but east shifts since the get-go:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/A ... _with_line


Lessened learned by many I hope. Dont put so much weight on the Euro. Fortunately it wasnt a cat 2 or higher
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Recon

#2092 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:09 am

000
URNT15 KNHC 271501
AF302 0401A ALBERTO HDOB 35 20180527
145200 2704N 08426W 8427 01448 9949 +181 +158 178012 016 010 002 03
145230 2705N 08428W 8435 01438 9948 +181 +156 184007 011 012 000 03
145300 2705N 08430W 8433 01441 9950 +181 +131 180007 008 010 003 00
145330 2705N 08431W 8428 01448 9950 +184 +124 194009 009 012 001 00
145400 2704N 08433W 8429 01447 9952 +183 +128 196007 009 012 002 00
145430 2704N 08435W 8426 01452 9953 +178 +140 282004 007 014 002 00
145500 2704N 08437W 8436 01441 9961 +166 +142 355007 008 014 003 00
145530 2704N 08439W 8428 01456 9970 +156 +145 009009 009 016 005 03
145600 2705N 08440W 8430 01450 9973 +154 +148 031011 012 019 006 00
145630 2706N 08441W 8427 01456 9972 +158 +155 035014 014 021 007 00
145700 2708N 08441W 8429 01450 9965 +164 +145 049018 019 025 005 00
145730 2709N 08441W 8425 01460 9969 +162 +157 058018 018 025 005 00
145800 2709N 08439W 8425 01460 9964 +164 +152 055018 019 024 004 00
145830 2707N 08438W 8418 01459 9965 +159 +152 049012 017 022 005 03
145900 2706N 08437W 8432 01446 9969 +153 //// 036005 008 016 002 05
145930 2705N 08436W 8435 01441 9958 +167 +144 206002 007 014 002 00
150000 2704N 08434W 8430 01447 9957 +178 +137 227011 014 013 001 03
150030 2705N 08433W 8430 01450 9957 +183 +126 205013 015 /// /// 03
150100 2706N 08433W 8425 01448 9948 +183 +133 181010 012 011 002 00
150130 2707N 08434W 8436 01438 9954 +159 +147 131012 013 013 002 01
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2093 Postby MidnightRain » Sun May 27, 2018 10:09 am

Pretty consistent convection firing. Had it taken a more western track I could see how this would be a stronger storm. East side of the storm getting shredded and will likely keep him in check until landfall.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Models

#2094 Postby USTropics » Sun May 27, 2018 10:11 am

Here are the track errors so far for STS Alberto. Most models had a westward bias at 48 hours (triangle shapes). The UKMET is the lone eastern bias model. Also noteworthy, the UKMET's 24 hour track has really nailed this storm.

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http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/tang/tcguidance/
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2095 Postby ColdMiser123 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:11 am

Recon also indicates that at least in the short term, there has been a westerly component to the northerly motion with the most recent center fix.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2096 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sun May 27, 2018 10:13 am

gatorcane wrote:The constant shifting track as seen by the archive loop below, nothing but east shifts since the get-go:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/A ... _with_line


Let this serve as a reminder on how unpredictable the tropics are, and how people shouldn't get zealous over specific scenarios days in advance. A pre-season lesson plan.
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Re: ALBERTO - Preps, Obs, Webcams, Local Updates

#2097 Postby gatorcane » Sun May 27, 2018 10:16 am

Strengthening feeder band has set up shop over coastal SE Florida. Buckets of rain and some thunder here in Boca Raton.
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Models

#2098 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:17 am

That's the 3rd big win for the UKMET in the last 20 months...I wonder what has gone into that model to make it more accurate?
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Recon

#2099 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:18 am

000
URNT15 KNHC 271511
AF302 0401A ALBERTO HDOB 36 20180527
150200 2709N 08436W 8426 01449 9961 +159 +147 090015 016 015 003 00
150230 2710N 08437W 8429 01449 9959 +165 +158 078017 018 019 005 00
150300 2711N 08439W 8429 01449 9959 +164 +163 069019 020 024 003 01
150330 2712N 08440W 8430 01448 //// +165 //// 063020 021 024 003 01
150400 2713N 08441W 8431 01448 //// +165 //// 064019 021 028 001 01
150430 2714N 08443W 8425 01456 9964 +167 +162 065019 021 027 003 00
150500 2716N 08444W 8429 01454 9968 +162 +161 065026 027 025 003 01
150530 2717N 08445W 8427 01462 9977 +160 +148 064029 032 026 002 01
150600 2718N 08447W 8426 01466 9981 +161 +130 063033 034 027 001 00
150630 2719N 08448W 8430 01465 9984 +162 +134 063035 035 027 001 00
150700 2720N 08449W 8433 01463 9986 +160 +146 063036 037 025 002 00
150730 2721N 08451W 8429 01469 9991 +156 +145 064036 037 027 002 00
150800 2723N 08452W 8426 01474 9993 +156 +142 068036 037 029 002 00
150830 2724N 08454W 8425 01478 9994 +156 +143 070036 037 030 001 00
150900 2725N 08455W 8429 01475 9997 +155 +143 071037 037 030 001 00
150930 2726N 08456W 8433 01473 0000 +152 +144 072037 037 029 002 00
151000 2727N 08458W 8422 01487 0001 +153 +144 071037 039 031 003 01
151030 2729N 08459W 8426 01482 0002 +154 +142 069039 042 031 001 01
151100 2730N 08501W 8430 01480 0002 +154 +149 067038 041 031 003 01
151130 2731N 08502W 8427 01486 //// +153 //// 070040 042 032 003 01
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Re: ATL: ALBERTO - Sub-Tropical Storm

#2100 Postby MGC » Sun May 27, 2018 10:23 am

Evil Jeremy wrote:
gatorcane wrote:The constant shifting track as seen by the archive loop below, nothing but east shifts since the get-go:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/A ... _with_line


Let this serve as a reminder on how unpredictable the tropics are, and how people shouldn't get zealous over specific scenarios days in advance. A pre-season lesson plan.


Alberto has reformed its center how many times? Center reformation has been a big factor in the eastward shifts in the forecast track.....MGC
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