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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Caribbean / West Atlantic

#761 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:35 am

NHC should start raising chances of this system as well as start running more high resolution models because one key thing that the ECMWF ensembles show that the operational doesn't is some members keep this over the water as the high ridge builds in (depending on how fast it builds in and how fast the system moves). Any slow down of a system in the gulf of mexico has trouble written all over it.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#762 Postby AJC3 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:54 am

...TROPICAL WAVES...

A central Caribbean tropical wave extends its axis from west
Hispaniola near 20N73W to N Colombia near 09N75W, moving west at
10 kt. This wave was repositioned based on satellite imagery, low-
level TPW imagery, and model guidance. This wave is in an area
where an upper-level low prevails, centered near 17N74W. With
these, scattered moderate convection prevails north of 17N between
67W-75W, affecting eastern Cuba, Windward Passage, Hispaniola,
and the Mona Passage.

ATLANTIC OCEAN...

An upper level low is centered north of the Bahamas near 29N77W.
THis feature is enhancing scattered moderate convection west of
75W. To the east, a surface trough has broken away from the
Caribbean's tropical wave and extends from 25N71W to 21N74W
.
Scattered moderate convection prevails along this trough affecting
the southern Bahamas. This trough is moving WNW towards S Florida
and the Gulf of Mexico.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#763 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:54 am

8 AM TWO up to 10%/40%

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Sat Sep 1 2018

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on recently
upgraded Tropical Storm Florence, located about a couple of hundred
miles west of the Cabo Verde Islands.

A tropical wave interacting with an upper-level trough is producing
numerous showers and thunderstorms from Hispaniola northward across
the Turks and Caicos Islands. This activity is forecast to spread
west-northwestward, enhancing rainfall across Hispaniola, the Turks
and Caicos Islands, the Bahamas this weekend, and across Florida
and the northern Gulf of Mexico coast by early next week. Strong
upper-level winds will likely prevent significant development of
this system during the next couple of days, but environmental
conditions are expected to become a little more favorable for a
surface low pressure area to form when the disturbance moves across
the Gulf of Mexico during the early to middle part of next week.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...40 percent.

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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#764 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:00 am

Likely to be an invest later today and they’re getting ready for possible recon by sometime Monday one would think
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#765 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:02 am

Look at the area the graphic that extends along all the Gulf Coast from Florida to Texas.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#766 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:08 am

It appears Hispaniola fractured the wave into two pieces with the more significant vorticity energy now over the Turks/Caicos and the SE Bahamas, moving toward the Florida Keys/Straits. Mentioned in the NWS discussion.

A tropical wave is producing numerous showers and thunderstorms across Hispaniola and the Turks and Caicos Islands. Significant development is unlikely until this system moves into the Gulf of Mexico next week where it has a medium chance of becoming a tropical cyclone.

 https://twitter.com/NHC_Atlantic/status/1035863308690182144


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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#767 Postby BobHarlem » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:20 am

What a dramatic change from August (yesterday).
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#768 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:31 am

Given the major shift in tone from the ECMWF on this run for both this system and Florence, I am almost tempted to call it a bad run. Certainly will be if the 12z ECMWF drops it again.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#769 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:41 am

ABC13-Travis Herzog

Original Post link: https://www.facebook.com/TravisABC13/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdwRM0j6NEkPMbXF0cj4xiAYYYgOaVB-33ov_oWD4Fdc1A%3AAdzmFXVyvm9XtnYNK-STJ3SuD1BFiagOMQlDZAq1ExEaEg

7AM SATURDAY TROPICAL WEATHER UPDATE

Odds are increasing that the Gulf coast will be dealing with at least a tropical depression or storm named Gordon next week. In the last 24 hours there have been two significant changes to the 5 day outlook for the Gulf of Mexico:

1.) First, the odds of a tropical depression or storm forming by Thursday have now increased to 40%.

2.) Second, the formation zone (and pathway of the potential system) has expanded westward toward Texas.

More than anything, this is just reflecting the fact that the 5 day outlook now extends one day further into next week.

None of this is surprising to me. All week long our guidance has been indicating that the environment would be more conducive for tropical formation toward the end of next week and that the system would track close to Louisiana and Texas by then.

The tropical disturbance, now north of Haiti, is still disorganized. It still may never develop. Regardless of development, it will bring heavy, flooding rains to Florida and elsewhere along the Gulf coast.

While we all hope for the best, we all know how quickly the Gulf can spin up storms. It would be wise to stay informed and aware now that we're in peak hurricane season. I'd recommend checking in daily on what's happening in the tropics as you go about your normal plans this Labor Day weekend. While I'm away from work, I'll continue to keep you updated here on Facebook once or twice daily. Stay tuned.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#770 Postby NDG » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:44 am

Time for this TW be declared an Invest this morning, a significant increase in the number of Euro ensembles are developing it, around 38 out of 50 to be exact.

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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#771 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:52 am

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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#772 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:01 am

ForexTidbits wrote:It appears Hispaniola fractured the wave into two pieces with the more significant vorticity energy now over the Turks/Caicos and the SE Bahamas, moving toward the Florida Keys/Straits. Mentioned in the NWS discussion.

A tropical wave is producing numerous showers and thunderstorms across Hispaniola and the Turks and Caicos Islands. Significant development is unlikely until this system moves into the Gulf of Mexico next week where it has a medium chance of becoming a tropical cyclone.

 https://twitter.com/NHC_Atlantic/status/1035863308690182144



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Re: Tropical Wave north of Hispañola

#773 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:03 am

tolakram wrote:I wonder what the key is for development vs not? If this happens then yet another example of no clear signal (development or intensity) until less than 5 days away.
as usual its all about the shear, water temps are good
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#774 Postby BobHarlem » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:03 am

jlauderdal wrote:the shredder in action


in this case there's nothing to shred, if anything is concentrating the energy toward the turks/caicos.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#775 Postby Clearcloudz » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:05 am

BobHarlem wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:the shredder in action


in this case there's nothing to shred, if anything is concentrating the energy toward the turks/caicos.


The island of Hispaniola is known to doing strange things when it comes to tropical cyclones.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#776 Postby MississippiWx » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:08 am

The GFS still shows a weaker cyclone, obviously, but I’ve been watching the depiction of the 850mb vort on the model. It has consistently gotten stronger, so it is seeing a stronger system even though it may not be reflecting it in the winds and pressure on the model yet. The FV3 had its strongest run of the system at 6z. The trend is your friend.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas

#777 Postby Frank2 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:10 am

I would remove the pasted statement from the local TV (ABC13) met, because what you're reading there is "keep watching" script, having worked in the weather business.

The wave/disturbance is being sheared completely by the trough/ULL to it's west, and the reason NHC does not expect any development until it reaches the GOM, if anything.
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#778 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:15 am

BobHarlem wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:the shredder in action


in this case there's nothing to shred, if anything is concentrating the energy toward the turks/caicos.


sir, while there is no defined center it does appear hispaniola has caused a disruption, fracture, break, displacement or whatever you want to call it..we have seen hispaniola and eastern cuba do this many times to defined and ill defined systems.the upper levels weren't going to be conducive to development east of the conch republic, northern gulf and western gulf be ready
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#779 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:17 am

ForexTidbits wrote:
BobHarlem wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:the shredder in action


in this case there's nothing to shred, if anything is concentrating the energy toward the turks/caicos.


The island of Hispaniola is known to doing strange things when it comes to tropical cyclones.
very true and dont leave it eastern cooba...whether a system goes over, south or north this area tends to have major implications including inflow issues...its been helpful to florida many times
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Re: Tropical Wave in the Turks & Caicos/SE Bahamas: 8 AM TWO=10%/40%

#780 Postby BobHarlem » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:21 am

jlauderdal wrote:
BobHarlem wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:the shredder in action


in this case there's nothing to shred, if anything is concentrating the energy toward the turks/caicos.


sir, while there is no defined center it does appear hispaniola has caused a disruption, fracture, break, displacement or whatever you want to call it..we have seen hispaniola and eastern cuba do this many times to defined and ill defined systems.the upper levels weren't going to be conducive to development east of the conch republic, northern gulf and western gulf be ready


Disruptive, maybe, if anything was going. i think i understand what you are getting at though. it definitely scrambles it, although I think right around the inagua islands is where something is trying to happen at the moment (although that probably will shift because of those issues with Hispaniola/Cuba) It does slow it down.
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