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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Advisories

#421 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:03 am

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Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Advisory Number 3
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072018
500 AM EDT Mon Sep 03 2018

...DISTURBANCE LIKELY TO BECOME A TROPICAL STORM TODAY...
...BRINGING HEAVY RAINS TO PORTIONS OF SOUTH FLORIDA...
...TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR A PORTION OF THE NORTHERN GULF
COAST...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM EDT...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...24.5N 80.2W
ABOUT 60 MI...95 KM ESE OF MARATHON FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...30 MPH...45 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.86 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The Tropical Storm Watch from the Alabama-Florida border westward to
east of Morgan City, Louisiana, including Lake Pontchartrain and
Lake Maurepas has been changed to a Tropical Storm Warning.




Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Discussion Number 3...Corrected
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072018
500 AM EDT Mon Sep 03 2018

Corrected motion in second paragraph

The system is gradually becoming better organized with some
increased convective banding features. However, surface and radar
data suggest that a well-defined center of circulation has not yet
formed. The initial intensity is set at 25 kt in agreement with the
latest Dvorak estimates from TAFB and SAB. An Air Force Reserve
Unit Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate the
system later this morning, and should provide a better estimate of
its intensity and structure. Global model predictions show
a closed circulation forming within 12 to 24 hours, so the official
forecast calls for tropical cyclone status later today. Although
the system should move over the very warm waters of the eastern and
north-central Gulf of Mexico during the next 36 hours, the model
guidance is not very aggressive about intensification. This may be
due to some moderate shear as indicated by the SHIPS model output.
The official intensity forecast is similar to the previous one and
at the upper end of the numerical guidance suite.

The disturbance appears to have picked up some forward speed, and is
now moving at around 300/14 kt. A west-northwestward to
northwestward motion is likely, along the southwestern periphery of
a mid-level anticyclone, until landfall along the northern Gulf
coast. The official track forecast is close to the dynamical model
consensus and is just slightly to the right of and faster than the
previous one.

Given the proximity of the 36-hour forecast point to the coast, it
is time to change the Tropical Storm Watch to a Warning.

Key Messages:

1. Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven will bring heavy rainfall and
gusty winds to portions of the Bahamas, South Florida, and the
Florida Keys today, and interests in those areas should
monitor the progress of this system.

2. A Tropical Storm Warning has been issued for portions of the
central Gulf Coast, and tropical storm conditions are expected in
those areas beginning late Tuesday. Heavy rainfall from this
system will affect portions of the central Gulf Coast over the next
few days, including areas that have already received heavy rainfall
from a different weather system. Interests in these areas should
monitor products from their local National Weather Service office.

3. Users should be aware that forecast uncertainty for potential
tropical cyclones is generally larger than that for tropical
cyclones, especially beyond 48-72 hours.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 03/0900Z 24.5N 80.2W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
12H 03/1800Z 25.7N 82.1W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 04/0600Z 27.2N 84.8W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 04/1800Z 28.8N 87.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 05/0600Z 30.4N 89.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 06/0600Z 33.0N 92.7W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
96H 07/0600Z 34.0N 95.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
120H 08/0600Z 35.5N 96.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
Forecaster Pasch
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#422 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:04 am

Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P
yep, the upper keys north to WPB is under a smw
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#423 Postby Bayousaint » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:05 am

Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P


Louisiana just received their warning a few minutes ago (4:47am).
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#424 Postby PSUHiker31 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:05 am

Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P


Right? Some of the decisions like this from the NHC have been head scratchers
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#425 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:05 am

Aric Dunn wrote:the broad circ out west of the convection has elongated out .. looks like a reformation to the ene with that very deep convection on radar and sat. interesting..


Yeah I see what you mean, appears to be reforming closer to the deep convection.

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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#426 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:06 am

GCANE wrote:Looks like in-feed of TPW is being choked off by Cuba.
That should end when it reaches about 85W.


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inflow issues, the shredder causes even more disruption with the high mountains..its very tricky getting a system into florida and beyond
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#427 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:11 am

PSUHiker31 wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P


Right? Some of the decisions like this from the NHC have been head scratchers
guys, they didnt have a center nor did they forecast they would have a center at this time and they were right...we get smw frequently through the rainy season..i get what you are saying about it being "easier" but thats not how they operate..as a reminder, miami nws is just down the hall from the nhc at FIU so coordination at least for SE florida couldn't be much easier..i drove past there last week and its always impressive to see the concrete bunker with dishes all around..nobody here as been able to find a defined center and its been a motivated group looking since yesterday afternoon
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#428 Postby blp » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:17 am

jlauderdal wrote:
PSUHiker31 wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P


Right? Some of the decisions like this from the NHC have been head scratchers
guys, they didnt have a center nor did they forecast they would have a center at this time and they were right...we get smw frequently through the rainy season..i get what you are saying about it being "easier" but thats not how they operate..as a reminder, miami nws is just down the hall from the nhc at FIU so coordination at least for SE florida couldn't be much easier..i drove past there last week and its always impressive to see the concrete bunker with dishes all around..nobody here as been able to find a defined center and its been a motivated group looking since yesterday afternoon


All I know is Sfla is about to get pounded by lots of rain and gusts. My concern is the potential train effect with the bands that will be rotating over the same area causing lots of flooding and there are some strong TS gusts in those bands A smw will not get people's attention.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#429 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:21 am

I don't think this will be upgraded until it reaches 82-83 west in the eastern Gulf late tomorrow afternoon into evening...Probably 11pm est advisory.

I like the nhc's track and intensity thinking after said time.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#430 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:22 am

blp wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
PSUHiker31 wrote:
Right? Some of the decisions like this from the NHC have been head scratchers
guys, they didnt have a center nor did they forecast they would have a center at this time and they were right...we get smw frequently through the rainy season..i get what you are saying about it being "easier" but thats not how they operate..as a reminder, miami nws is just down the hall from the nhc at FIU so coordination at least for SE florida couldn't be much easier..i drove past there last week and its always impressive to see the concrete bunker with dishes all around..nobody here as been able to find a defined center and its been a motivated group looking since yesterday afternoon


All I know is Sfla is about to get pounded by lots of rain and gusts. My concern is the potential train effect with the bands that will be rotating over the same area causing lots of flooding and there are some strong TS gusts in those bands A smw will not get people's attention.

and a ts warning wasn't going to change anything except to cause even more complacency..the nhc has parameters and they are following those as they should..tstorms with 40,60,80 mph gusts doesnt get a ts warning nor does 20 inches of rain..fyi, there was 43 at north miami beach this morning
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#431 Postby xironman » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:50 am

GCANE wrote:ULL is just to the SW of the CoC.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... uct=wv-mid



It is diving SW, once it is out of the way the SW quadrant should improve
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#432 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:56 am

Aric Dunn wrote:lol they have so many marine warnings out.. could have just a TS warning :P
you going on a 48 hour bender celebrating your bday and our first system of the season?
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#433 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:56 am

The line of storms extending southwest from the center is interesting. It appears to be a convergence zone where swift trades from the east are fighting with Seven’s attempt to push from the west. I do believe there is a small area of west winds near what appears to be a center right off the coast.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#434 Postby Frank P » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:57 am

FWIW, HWRF running, much stronger than previous run.. bombing @h33 more info in model forum
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 0306&fh=30
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#435 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:05 am

MississippiWx wrote:The line of storms extending southwest from the center is interesting. It appears to be a convergence zone where swift trades from the east are fighting with Seven’s attempt to push from the west. I do believe there is a small area of west winds near what appears to be a center right off the coast.


The lower keys will give us an indication later this morning if indeed a closed low has formed as the coc appears it will be moving inland around Islamorada/Key Largo.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#436 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:10 am

NDG wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The line of storms extending southwest from the center is interesting. It appears to be a convergence zone where swift trades from the east are fighting with Seven’s attempt to push from the west. I do believe there is a small area of west winds near what appears to be a center right off the coast.


The lower keys will give us an indication later this morning if indeed a closed low has formed as the coc appears it will be moving inland around Islamorada/Key Largo.
right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#437 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:12 am

xironman wrote:
GCANE wrote:ULL is just to the SW of the CoC.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... uct=wv-mid



It is diving SW, once it is out of the way the SW quadrant should improve


It is also pushing moist mid-level air into the core.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#438 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:18 am

Pretty decent CAPE and Theta-E Ridges setting up in the east GOM.
If this holds up, intensification likely once it clears the Keys.

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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#439 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:21 am

jlauderdal wrote:
NDG wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The line of storms extending southwest from the center is interesting. It appears to be a convergence zone where swift trades from the east are fighting with Seven’s attempt to push from the west. I do believe there is a small area of west winds near what appears to be a center right off the coast.


The lower keys will give us an indication later this morning if indeed a closed low has formed as the coc appears it will be moving inland around Islamorada/Key Largo.
right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours


There are several personal wx stations in Islamorada reporting westerly winds.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#440 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:24 am

jlauderdal wrote:
NDG wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:The line of storms extending southwest from the center is interesting. It appears to be a convergence zone where swift trades from the east are fighting with Seven’s attempt to push from the west. I do believe there is a small area of west winds near what appears to be a center right off the coast.


The lower keys will give us an indication later this morning if indeed a closed low has formed as the coc appears it will be moving inland around Islamorada/Key Largo.
right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours


It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.
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