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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#441 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:26 am

MississippiWx wrote:
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The lower keys will give us an indication later this morning if indeed a closed low has formed as the coc appears it will be moving inland around Islamorada/Key Largo.
right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours


It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.


time will tell, they could declare a td at any time
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#442 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:28 am

jlauderdal wrote:
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jlauderdal wrote:right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours


It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.


time will tell, they could declare a td at any time


I think it goes straight to tropical storm due to 40-50mph gusts that have been constantly battering SE Florida coast overnight.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#443 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:29 am

jlauderdal wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:right on schedule, we are now east of the wave axis and here comes the rain

im still not seeing a defined center...give it another 12 hours


It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.


time will tell, they could declare a td at any time


With the wind gusts already reported in the 45-50mph it will go straight to TS.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#444 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:31 am

The first visible frames are coming in now. We should be able to have a good look at what's going on within the next 20 minutes.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Advisories

#445 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:33 am

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Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Intermediate Advisory Number 3A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072018
800 AM EDT Mon Sep 03 2018

...DISTURBANCE EXPECTED TO BECOME A TROPICAL STORM LATER TODAY...
...HEAVY RAINS LIKELY OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND THE KEYS...


SUMMARY OF 800 AM EDT...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...25.1N 80.5W
ABOUT 5 MI...5 KM W OF KEY LARGO FLORIDA
ABOUT 35 MI...60 KM E OF CAPE SABLE FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1010 MB...29.82 INCHES
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#446 Postby RL3AO » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:33 am

NDG wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.


time will tell, they could declare a td at any time


With the wind gusts already reported in the 45-50mph it will go straight to TS.


Has there been any evidence of sustained winds over 30 mph much less 39 mph? The strongest wind I've found was 23 knots at Homestead.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#447 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:33 am

BTW, some the personal wx stations in Islamorada that are now reporting light westerly winds are also reporting a pressure drop from 1014mb around midnight down to 1009mb with one reporting a pressure drop down to 1007mb.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#448 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:35 am

RL3AO wrote:
NDG wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
time will tell, they could declare a td at any time


With the wind gusts already reported in the 45-50mph it will go straight to TS.


Has there been any evidence of sustained winds over 30 mph much less 39 mph? The strongest wind I've found was 23 knots at Homestead.


Yes earlier this morning in some of the squalls. Port Everglades.
I am sure they will see more of them as squalls continue to come in.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=pegf1
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#449 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:36 am

Actually, that ULL to the SW is pushing in very low-level moisture.
No doubt accounting for the persistent deep convection.
Small cell (circled in red) firing pretty close now to the CoC (red X).



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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#450 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:38 am

NDG wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
It doesn't need another 12 hours. Lol.


time will tell, they could declare a td at any time


With the wind gusts already reported in the 45-50mph it will go straight to TS.
i thought sustained was the criteria
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#451 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:39 am

NDG wrote:
RL3AO wrote:
NDG wrote:
With the wind gusts already reported in the 45-50mph it will go straight to TS.


Has there been any evidence of sustained winds over 30 mph much less 39 mph? The strongest wind I've found was 23 knots at Homestead.


Yes earlier this morning in some of the squalls. Port Everglades.
I am sure they will see more of them as squalls continue to come in.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=pegf1
56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#452 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:40 am

Judging by the first visible frames, this thing is closed. Still need a few more frames to make sure. Radar has been giving a big hint at it too. The north and eastern side of this is very impressive on radar.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#453 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:41 am

jlauderdal wrote:
NDG wrote:
RL3AO wrote:
Has there been any evidence of sustained winds over 30 mph much less 39 mph? The strongest wind I've found was 23 knots at Homestead.


Yes earlier this morning in some of the squalls. Port Everglades.
I am sure they will see more of them as squalls continue to come in.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=pegf1
56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow


Not too many tropical depressions have gusts to 56kts.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#454 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:45 am

MississippiWx wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
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Yes earlier this morning in some of the squalls. Port Everglades.
I am sure they will see more of them as squalls continue to come in.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=pegf1
56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow


Not too many tropical depressions have gusts to 56kts.
true but florida thunderstorms do :D
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#455 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:45 am

Pretty decent warm core.
Looks like GFS is missing this big time.

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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#456 Postby NDG » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:48 am

jlauderdal wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow


Not too many tropical depressions have gusts to 56kts.
true but florida thunderstorms do :D


But we are not talking about just a florida afternoon thunderstorm :lol:
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#457 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:49 am

MississippiWx wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
NDG wrote:
Yes earlier this morning in some of the squalls. Port Everglades.
I am sure they will see more of them as squalls continue to come in.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=pegf1
56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow


Not too many tropical depressions have gusts to 56kts.


the classification system at nhc use sustained not gusts

Tropical Storm:
A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed (using the U.S. 1-minute average) ranges from 34 kt (39 mph or 63 km/hr) to 63 kt (73 mph or 118 km/hr).

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutgloss.shtml#TROPCYC
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#458 Postby kevin mathis » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:51 am

Looking at the 8 am advisory, looks like they relocated the center from SE of Marathon(5am) to basically Biscayne Bay or far Upper Keys. This would be very close to the firing thunderstorms.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#459 Postby MississippiWx » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:52 am

jlauderdal wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:56 kntos se of miami but these are in squalls, this isnt sustained easterly flow


Not too many tropical depressions have gusts to 56kts.


the classification system at nhc use sustained not gusts

Tropical Storm:
A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed (using the U.S. 1-minute average) ranges from 34 kt (39 mph or 63 km/hr) to 63 kt (73 mph or 118 km/hr).

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutgloss.shtml#TROPCYC


Yes, but a lot of the time if there are gusts 40-50kts, they reason to believe there are sustained winds at least 39mph.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#460 Postby GCANE » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:52 am

Deep pink, good rain rate.
Not shabby at all.
That CAPE ridge is deepening quickly in the east GOM

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