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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#621 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:51 pm

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jaxfladude wrote:Is there a chance for the 3rd year in a row for those of us in NE FLA and surrounding areas will have deal with yet another hurricane threat?? And this time a direct or near direct hit. Yikes if yes. I have really come to hate this time of year, even with football season.

If the models keep trending south, unfortunately yes.

Frankly, I am burned out with dealing with storms after Matthew and Irma, back to back.

I was right in your backyard for Irma (well, passing through), so I know what you mean, to a certain extent.

To be honest, as much as I love following Tropical Cyclones, I know an actual hit would take a toll on me, mentally, after my experiences during the last one (which were not entirely hurricane-related).

At any rate, I would rather not find out what driving a vanbulance is like in 64kt winds, thank you very much. :eek:
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#622 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:51 pm

SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...24.8N 52.5W
ABOUT 820 MI...1320 KM NE OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
ABOUT 905 MI...1460 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 260 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...996 MB...29.42 INCHES
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Advisories

#623 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Tropical Storm Florence Discussion Number 34
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
500 PM AST Fri Sep 07 2018

Little has changed with Florence's structure during the day. The
low-level center is located on the southwestern side of the deep
convection due to moderate to strong southwesterly shear, and
satellite intensity estimates are essentially the same from this
morning. Therefore, the estimated maximum winds remain 55 kt.
NOAA is scheduled to conduct a research mission with the P-3
aircraft tomorrow, which should provide some useful wind data and
give us a better handle on the cyclone's intensity.

Vertical shear is still expected to gradually decrease over the
next day or two, likely reaching values of 10 kt or less by 48
hours. During this period, Florence should become more vertically
stacked, which would allow for some reintensification, possibly back
to hurricane strength within 36-48 hours. After 48 hours, the shear
is expected to remain generally low, and oceanic heat content values
will increase significantly as Florence moves over the waters
between Bermuda and the northern Leeward Islands. This is a
classic recipe for a quick intensification trend, and Florence is
expected to become a major hurricane by days 4 and 5. The
generally skillful HCCA, Florida State Superensemble, and ICON
intensity consensus are all near 110-115 kt by day 5, and because
of this, no notable changes were required from the previous
official intensity forecast.

Florence has been moving south of due west (260 degrees) at 7 kt,
located south of a low- to mid-level ridge. The cyclone is
expected to continue moving generally westward for the next 48
hours while it remains sheared. As Florence begins to strengthen
and become vertically stacked after 48 hours, it should begin to
turn west-northwestward, steered by a deeper flow regime. By days
4 and 5, an exceptionally strong blocking ridge is forecast to
develop between Bermuda and the Northeast U.S., keeping Florence
on a west-northwestward trajectory with an increase in forward
speed by the end of the forecast period. A slight southwestward
adjustment was made to the NHC forecast to account for Florence's
initial motion and a slight shift in the overall guidance envelope.
For most of the forecast period, the official forecast is close to
a blend of the GFS and ECMWF.

Key Messages:

1. Regardless of Florence's eventual track, large swells are
affecting Bermuda and will begin to affect portions of the U.S. East
Coast this weekend, resulting in life-threatening surf and rip
currents.

2. The risk of other direct impacts associated with Florence along
the U.S. East Coast next week has increased. However, there is
still very large uncertainty in model forecasts of Florence's track
beyond day 5, making it too soon to determine the exact location,
magnitude, and timing of these impacts. Interests near and along
the U.S. East Coast should monitor the progress of Florence through
the weekend and ensure they have their hurricane plans in place.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 07/2100Z 24.8N 52.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 08/0600Z 24.6N 53.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 08/1800Z 24.6N 54.7W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 09/0600Z 24.6N 55.8W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 09/1800Z 24.8N 57.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
72H 10/1800Z 25.8N 60.9W 90 KT 105 MPH
96H 11/1800Z 27.5N 67.0W 110 KT 125 MPH
120H 12/1800Z 30.5N 73.0W 115 KT 130 MPH

$$
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#624 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Bocadude85 wrote:
jdjaguar wrote:
jaxfladude wrote:Is there a chance for the 3rd year in a row for those of us in NE FLA and surrounding areas will have deal with yet another hurricane threat?? And this time a direct or near direct hit. Yikes if yes. I have really come to hate this time of year, even with football season.

If the models keep trending south, unfortunately yes.

Frankly, I am burned out with dealing with storms after Matthew and Irma, back to back.


I would think the southwest shifts will have to be coming to a end, the way the models are showing the ridge displaced to Flo’s northeast is a perfect setup for a Carolina’s hit. Now if the models start showing a more east to west oriented ridge then things could change.


From @72-120 hrs the models have been trending to a flat E-W oriented ridge axis resulting in these S shifts
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#625 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:55 pm

Hurricane Andrew wrote:
SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...24.8N 52.5W
ABOUT 820 MI...1320 KM NE OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
ABOUT 905 MI...1460 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 260 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...996 MB...29.42 INCHES


NHC says W, but 260 on Storm2k is WWWSW. 8-)
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#626 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:59 pm

Are there any good realtime shear monitors out there? CIMSS's broad map seems...off to me.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#627 Postby seahawkjd » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:59 pm

From the 5pm:

The risk of other direct impacts associated with Florence along
the U.S. East Coast next week has increased. However, there is
still very large uncertainty in model forecasts of Florence's track
beyond day 5, making it too soon to determine the exact location,
magnitude, and timing of these impacts.
Interests near and along
the U.S. East Coast should monitor the progress of Florence through
the weekend and ensure they have their hurricane plans in place.


Just a small thing I noticed. Up till now they have been saying "Impacts to the Continental US, if any".
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#628 Postby emeraldislenc » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:02 pm

Now is a good time to be getting prepared this storm had really gotten my attenton!
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#629 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:05 pm

emeraldislenc wrote:Now is a good time to be getting prepared this storm had really gotten my attenton!

Miami to Maine. Those are the people that should be preparing right now. Worst thing that happens is that you have extra supplies for a later storm. Best case? You don't end up Katrina'd for weeks if this thing does hit you.

Can't stress it enough.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#630 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:06 pm

:uarrow: Well, at this juncture, the odds of Florence impacting the U.S.East Coast definitely have appreciably increased unfortunately. Buckle up everyone. I have had a bad vibe all along about Flo and I have an omninous feeling we may have some long nights ahead monitoring the progress of this tropical cyclone next week.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#631 Postby HurricaneBelle » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:11 pm

From the latest advisory:

...FLORENCE POISED TO STRENGTHEN...
...THIS WEEKEND IS A GOOD TIME FOR INTERESTS ALONG THE U.S. EAST
COAST TO REVIEW THEIR HURRICANE PLAN...


From the next advisory:

...MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR GOD...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#632 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:11 pm

I won’t say the name that begins with A, but NHC using “Exceptional High Pressure” “Acceleration” and seems Flo going to have fantastic ventilation speeding below a HP... Setup kinda similar...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#633 Postby jlauderdal » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:12 pm

northjaxpro wrote::uarrow: Well, at this juncture, the odds of Florence impacting the U.S.East Coast definitely have appreciably increased unfortunately. Buckle up everyone. I have had a bad vibe all along about Flo and I have an omninous feeling we may have some long nights ahead monitoring the progress of this tropical cyclone next week.
based on the 5 day error rate of 198 miles I hope you are getting ready, trend isnt your friend :roll:
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#634 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:15 pm

:lol:
Blown Away wrote:I won’t say the name that begins with A, but NHC using “Exceptional High Pressure” “Acceleration” and seems Flo going to have fantastic ventilation speeding below a HP... Setup kinda similar...


This is very ominous wordings coming from the experts down in Coral Gables at NHC. Shows the seriousness of this potential event!
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#635 Postby SconnieCane » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:15 pm

HurricaneBelle wrote:
From the next advisory:

...MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR GOD...


:lol: Model forecasts aside, putting that in while the system is still a sheared 55kt TS just seems like a tad bit of hyperbole. :lol:
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#636 Postby chaser1 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:16 pm

BYG Jacob wrote:
chaser1 wrote:
Cumulonimbus_Ca wrote:
I'm super interested in this. As far as I can tell, most 'climatological' tropical storm predictions seem useless in a world with changing climate. Water temperatures are different. Patterns are different. Why would the climate be a good indicator of where a current storm is going? I don't follow the logic here at all. It is using a static variable to guess a moving target. It's not going to work.

And where do these people get off suggesting that climate-based historical tracks of hurricanes are an indicator *at all* of where a current storm is going? Is there evidence to support this? It seems to me that it is a lot more likely that a storm in a current position has *never* closely resembled the starting conditions of any storm in history. I would suggest that the people using climatology tracks are being dense on-purpose, as I think there is no evidence whatsoever to support their points.

Are there any studies or data on the effectiveness of climatological data when looking at storm paths today? Is the effectiveness decreasing or was it never effective to begin with?


That's like making the statement "one's DNA is highly unlikely to predetermine one's physical characteristics or risk adverse to particular disease or physical limitations..... especially in our brave new world where we can fully control our destiny, choose to eat nothing but tofu and dream about unicorns and rainbows". Gee, I wonder if medicine has done any level of research on THAT STUFF (eh, probably not :spam: )

Except it really isn't, and your anology is wrong.


Feel free to elaborate
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#637 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:17 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
northjaxpro wrote::uarrow: Well, at this juncture, the odds of Florence impacting the U.S.East Coast definitely have appreciably increased unfortunately. Buckle up everyone. I have had a bad vibe all along about Flo and I have an omninous feeling we may have some long nights ahead monitoring the progress of this tropical cyclone next week.
based on the 5 day error rate of 198 miles I hope you are getting ready, trend isnt your friend :roll:


Always ready for sure!! But thanks.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#638 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:18 pm

chaser1 wrote:
BYG Jacob wrote:
chaser1 wrote:
That's like making the statement "one's DNA is highly unlikely to predetermine one's physical characteristics or risk adverse to particular disease or physical limitations..... especially in our brave new world where we can fully control our destiny, choose to eat nothing but tofu and dream about unicorns and rainbows". Gee, I wonder if medicine has done any level of research on THAT STUFF (eh, probably not :spam: )

Except it really isn't, and your anology is wrong.


Feel free to elaborate

Climatology isn't the DNA of where a storm goes. And its silly to act like it is. Look at the synoptic setup around each individual storm, not what other storms did.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#639 Postby MJGarrison » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:20 pm

chaser1 wrote:
BYG Jacob wrote:
chaser1 wrote:
That's like making the statement "one's DNA is highly unlikely to predetermine one's physical characteristics or risk adverse to particular disease or physical limitations..... especially in our brave new world where we can fully control our destiny, choose to eat nothing but tofu and dream about unicorns and rainbows". Gee, I wonder if medicine has done any level of research on THAT STUFF (eh, probably not :spam: )

Except it really isn't, and your anology is wrong.


Feel free to elaborate


I think this is an interesting topic. Might be good for the mods to move it to its own thread?



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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#640 Postby jdjaguar » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:36 pm

northjaxpro wrote::uarrow: Well, at this juncture, the odds of Florence impacting the U.S.East Coast definitely have appreciably increased unfortunately. Buckle up everyone. I have had a bad vibe all along about Flo and I have an omninous feeling we may have some long nights ahead monitoring the progress of this tropical cyclone next week.

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On a serious note, I have been watching the clouds move due west all day.
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