ATL: MICHAEL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#201 Postby SconnieCane » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:55 am

Although Leslie could probably do it alone eventually seeing as she's not going anywhere fast and may actually restrengthen a bit, soon-to-be Michael will likely be the shot in the arm to get ATL ACE over 100 if it does indeed become a solid hurricane.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#202 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:55 am

Shear map looks...very hostile. Not sure why SHIPS has shear so low.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#203 Postby CyclonicFury » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:57 am

Now TS Michael
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#204 Postby DestinHurricane » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:05 pm

With all the model shifts east is Destin landfall off the table?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#205 Postby KUEFC » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:06 pm

DestinHurricane wrote:With all the model shifts east is Destin landfall off the table?

They haven’t shifted that far to the east have they?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#206 Postby DestinHurricane » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:08 pm

KUEFC wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:With all the model shifts east is Destin landfall off the table?

They haven’t shifted that far to the east have they?

Yes most have shifted to Panama City and Mexico beach which are about 40 miles east of Destin
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#207 Postby psyclone » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:14 pm

DestinHurricane wrote:
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DestinHurricane wrote:With all the model shifts east is Destin landfall off the table?

They haven’t shifted that far to the east have they?

Yes most have shifted to Panama City and Mexico beach which are about 40 miles east of Destin


I think you're still in the hunt at this juncture. one thing worth noting for those residing near the west side of guidance is this stands a good chance of being a classic "half a storm" with very little weather residing west of the center (think breezy offshore wind with passing showers) so you won't need to be too far west of the center for negligible impacts but it's way too soon to know where that will be. the current track really targets the panama city/ appalachicola region and resides just far enough west to keep signifcant qpf west of the florida peninsula.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#208 Postby KWT » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 pm

Not surprised they upgraded l, odds of recon finding at least 35kts are very high at the moment. Let's see what recon finds soon...
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#209 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 pm

THe NHC has to wait for some run to run consistency. if the entire suit comes back with the same intensity or stronger of course then the 5pm will likely have some stronger words especially since the time frame for landfall is so short.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#210 Postby wxman57 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:18 pm

Hurricane Andrew wrote:Shear map looks...very hostile. Not sure why SHIPS has shear so low.


What shear map? Current shear or shear predicted for Tue-Wed?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#211 Postby gatorcane » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:23 pm

Looks to me like we may be seeing the center relocate further east as the current one near the Yucatan is starting to get exposed:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... roduct=vis
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#212 Postby Nimbus » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:23 pm

ScottNAtlanta wrote:Starting to see upper level cloud tops fanning off on the west side. Looks like shear has decreased a lot


That is what worries me, the shear north of the system is currently high but Michael will be pumping a ridge as the forecast trough retreats (or doesn't). There were two low level centers earlier so it will be interesting to see if recon finds a dominant low level center now.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#213 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:29 pm

That jet over the Yucatan, flowing SW to NE, is really getting hammered.
Another round of afternoon popups and Micheal's outflow should pretty much take it out tonight.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression Fourteen- Discussion

#214 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:31 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Hurricane Andrew wrote:Shear map looks...very hostile. Not sure why SHIPS has shear so low.


What shear map? Current shear or shear predicted for Tue-Wed?

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#215 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:31 pm

gatorcane wrote:Looks to me like we may be seeing the center relocate further east as the current one near the Yucatan is starting to get exposed:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/sat/sat ... roduct=vis


there are two vorts rotating around still from the shear it happens.

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#216 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:32 pm

Recon just passed Cancun.
Should be dropping down shortly.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#217 Postby PSUHiker31 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:33 pm

Based on available model evidence, the shear should decrease significantly and not be a threat to Michael. Once again too much focus on shear analysis maps and not enough on what models are projecting the shear to do.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#218 Postby Ken711 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:38 pm

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Hard to see much stopping Tropical Storm Michael ... 30°C SST along track and the adjusted wind shear is probably an advantage in 2-days.

Maximum intensity likely depends on ability of vortex to organize in next 24-hours & establish a functional inner-core.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#219 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:42 pm

The eastern circ has all the energy now with the convection and lower shear. the models all show this curved path due to the rotational effect of having two vorts. but as the western vorts loses the battle shortly it will leave the eastern vort to rapidly spin up under lighter shear to the east.

will be interesting to watch with recon out there. should see a fun path.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Tropical Storm- Discussion

#220 Postby GCANE » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:46 pm

Besides the projected shear in the GOM, the other feature to watch is the ULL at 25N 70W.
Good position for vacuuming an outlfow channel.

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