ATL: MICHAEL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1601 Postby KWT » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:58 pm

Well this burst maybe the one that really takes hold, it looks like the core is as good as I've seen it and the eye has really popped out nicely. Suspect the next set of recon missions find a major cane, pressure down into the 950s.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1602 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:01 pm

Amazingly ominous eye development, especially since it has almost 24 more hours over the Gulf
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1603 Postby plasticup » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:02 pm

A bit of dry air sneaking in may interrupt things. It is pretty clear on the WV images:

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1604 Postby Airboy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:03 pm

They are really flying a lot of the "air sampling" flights, doing everything they can to be able to predict a correct path I guess
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1605 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:04 pm

Likely a CAT3 now

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1606 Postby tolakram » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:04 pm

I worry when we start talking categories. The Saffir Simpson scale can be both a help and a hindrance with these storms. The north coast has been hit with a couple of lopsided storms of late so everyone starts to expect the same thing over and over again. Confirmation bias creeps in and folks start looking for data to confirm their thoughts rather than taking an objective look at the conditions and the forecast.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1608 Postby MJGarrison » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:05 pm

Airboy wrote:They are really flying a lot of the "air sampling" flights, doing everything they can to be able to predict a correct path I guess


I wonder how much the available budget factors into the decision to fly so many flights.


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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1609 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:05 pm

plasticup wrote:A bit of dry air sneaking in may interrupt things. It is pretty clear on the WV images:

https://i.imgur.com/D4o371a.png


Dry air has been there the whole time. Unless shear increases, it shouldn’t limit Michael too much.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1610 Postby txwatcher91 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:05 pm

KWT wrote:Well this burst maybe the one that really takes hold, it looks like the core is as good as I've seen it and the eye has really popped out nicely. Suspect the next set of recon missions find a major cane, pressure down into the 950s.


Latest Euro takes this from 978mb at 12z today to 940mb by landfall. It drops 38mb in 30 hours. Unreal and based on IR it's in the process of heading towards that.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1611 Postby PavelGaborik10 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:07 pm

Looks the best it has so far to be certain. Interesting to see if the winds have increased
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1612 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:08 pm

txwatcher91 wrote:
KWT wrote:Well this burst maybe the one that really takes hold, it looks like the core is as good as I've seen it and the eye has really popped out nicely. Suspect the next set of recon missions find a major cane, pressure down into the 950s.


Latest Euro takes this from 978mb at 12z today to 940mb by landfall. It drops 38mb in 30 hours. Unreal and based on IR it's in the process of heading towards that.


When global models are unanimous on this, it’s very worrisome.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1613 Postby KWT » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:09 pm

EquusStorm wrote:Amazingly ominous eye development, especially since it has almost 24 more hours over the Gulf


Yeah very quick development once it mixed the dry air out. The eyewall is as good as I've ever seen it with Michael as well, looks pretty much closed eyewall right now. Looks a major now for the first time.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1614 Postby NDG » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:11 pm

So when was the last time Panama City got hit directly by a Major Hurricane?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1615 Postby bella_may » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:11 pm

Wobble watch has begun
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1616 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:12 pm

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1617 Postby txwatcher91 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:12 pm

MississippiWx wrote:
txwatcher91 wrote:
KWT wrote:Well this burst maybe the one that really takes hold, it looks like the core is as good as I've seen it and the eye has really popped out nicely. Suspect the next set of recon missions find a major cane, pressure down into the 950s.


Latest Euro takes this from 978mb at 12z today to 940mb by landfall. It drops 38mb in 30 hours. Unreal and based on IR it's in the process of heading towards that.


When global models are unanimous on this, it’s very worrisome.


Agreed, 940mb on the Euro and the HRRR was even showing 947mb which is the strongest I've ever seen it show. Models are seeing improving conditions that should allow further strengthening, possibly RI, right up to landfall like we saw with Harvey. Not a good setup at all as a strengthening cane at landfall, especially cat 3/4, does a better job mixing those winds to the surface.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1618 Postby NotoSans » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:13 pm

As expected, Dvorak estimates are higher than actual intensity. Dvorak tends to overestimate systems with ragged eye that has just been developed. Actual intensity is likely 100KT right now.

TXNT22 KNES 091753
TCSNTL

A. 14L (MICHAEL)

B. 09/1742Z

C. 25.5N

D. 86.4W

E. ONE/GOES-E

F. T6.0/6.0/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...WMG PINHOLE EYE IS EMBEDDED IN LG AND SURROUNDED BY B
RESULTING IN A DT OF 6.0 AFTER 1.0 IS ADDED FOR AN EYE ADJUSTMENT. MET
AND PT ARE ALSO 6.0. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...TURK
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1619 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:13 pm

Michael REALLY looks very impressive currently on visible and IR satellite imagery! Incredible cyclone! Wow!
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1620 Postby txwatcher91 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:14 pm

Actually Euro gets this down to 934mb right before landfall... even worse.
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