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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#661 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:18 pm

I guess the reason why the 18z early models have not come out yet is because they are waiting to see if Recon finds a defined surface circulation center.
Still looks pretty broad.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#662 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:20 pm

SoupBone wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:The GEFS is in pretty good agreement with a central La landfall right now. It has the heaviest core of rain over NOLA right now.



It feels like deja vu from yesterday at this time. Then last night's Euro happened. :lol:


It actually started with the 18z Rapid Euro run.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#663 Postby mcheer23 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:22 pm

GEPS went west
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#664 Postby MississippiWx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:29 pm

The models have a pretty strong area of 850mb vorticity to latch onto now. While this is not technically the surface, this is what they will use to base their forecasts.

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#665 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:32 pm

mcheer23 wrote:GEPS went west


It is no surprise with its operational run going west. I would not follow that model unless you paid me :lol:
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#666 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:49 pm

18z early models, the official NHC is well west of their reliable TVCN which is over the Houma area.
The UKMET is all alone with the climatology model.

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#667 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:54 pm

NDG wrote:18z early models, the official NHC is well west of their reliable TVCN which is over the Houma area.
The UKMET is all alone with the climatology model.

https://i.imgur.com/OCkOmnU.gif


I’m not buying an east of Lafayette solution. I don’t think the storm materializes all that fast and will still be a TX/LA border storm.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#668 Postby stormlover2013 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:55 pm

We should know pretty good in morning, all depends where center forms
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#669 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:59 pm

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
NDG wrote:18z early models, the official NHC is well west of their reliable TVCN which is over the Houma area.
The UKMET is all alone with the climatology model.

https://i.imgur.com/OCkOmnU.gif


I’m not buying an east of Lafayette solution. I don’t think the storm materializes all that fast and will still be a TX/LA border storm.


Chances are fairly now of that happening with now at least 90% of Euro ensembles showing a landfall east of the TX/LA border.

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#670 Postby davidiowx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:09 pm

NDG wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
NDG wrote:18z early models, the official NHC is well west of their reliable TVCN which is over the Houma area.
The UKMET is all alone with the climatology model.

https://i.imgur.com/OCkOmnU.gif


I’m not buying an east of Lafayette solution. I don’t think the storm materializes all that fast and will still be a TX/LA border storm.


Chances are fairly now of that happening with now at least 90% of Euro ensembles showing a landfall east of the TX/LA border.

https://i.imgur.com/97ezEza.png


I still think we need a defined center before we start really believing all of the model runs up until this point. There is certainly a lot more consistency today, but depending on where the actual center forms, that could swing West, stay the same or swing East.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#671 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:10 pm

New 12km and 32km NAM model runs are going straight into LA from where it currently it. If that happens it will cut down on the chances for significant development. Rain is still a big issue though.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#672 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:11 pm

12z Euro ensembles are tightly clustered around Vermilion bay and the "Acadiana" region of south central Louisiana, much like the operational run.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#673 Postby MissKandi » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:16 pm

Yuck, I live not far from Lafayette.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#674 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:18 pm

tarheelprogrammer wrote:New 12km and 32km NAM model runs are going straight into LA from where it currently it. If that happens it will cut down on the chances for significant development. Rain is still a big issue though.


It makes a point for many of us that do not follow the NAM model for tropical systems with its inconsistency.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#675 Postby Nederlander » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:22 pm

NDG wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
NDG wrote:18z early models, the official NHC is well west of their reliable TVCN which is over the Houma area.
The UKMET is all alone with the climatology model.

https://i.imgur.com/OCkOmnU.gif


I’m not buying an east of Lafayette solution. I don’t think the storm materializes all that fast and will still be a TX/LA border storm.


Chances are fairly now of that happening with now at least 90% of Euro ensembles showing a landfall east of the TX/LA border.

https://i.imgur.com/97ezEza.png

They’ve been windshield wiping the last couple of days. The 0z run this morning were all mostly west of the TX/LA border. As others have said, we need a center to form first before fully trusting either solution.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#676 Postby Dylan » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:26 pm

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#677 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:39 pm

Nederlander wrote:
NDG wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
I’m not buying an east of Lafayette solution. I don’t think the storm materializes all that fast and will still be a TX/LA border storm.


Chances are fairly now of that happening with now at least 90% of Euro ensembles showing a landfall east of the TX/LA border.

https://i.imgur.com/97ezEza.png

They’ve been windshield wiping the last couple of days. The 0z run this morning were all mostly west of the TX/LA border. As others have said, we need a center to form first before fully trusting either solution.


I have seen this all the time. This is a large scale system and global models usually do a very good job with this well before an LLC forms when there is already a well defined H85 & H50 circulation in place already.
With less than 72 hours before landfall it will be another Katrina for models to switch back to SE TX, since then models have come a long way.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#678 Postby Wx_Warrior » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:41 pm

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#679 Postby MidnightRain » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:44 pm

Might start trending a little more east and weaker if Barry is a larger system, which is my impression of it viewing the satellite. Yesterday the consensus was a small storm and therefore missing the weakness in the ridge.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#680 Postby Steve » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:48 pm

NAM 12km @ 18z moves the circulation up toward the LA Coast and then runs the coast on down to about Bay City/Lake Jackson

3km is still off the LA Coast and hasn't finished it's run to 60 hours yet to see if it will also hook off west or come inland. Jumped to 60h and is still offshore of the SC LA Coast at 883mb. Lol
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