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#641 Postby Hammy » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:30 pm

DioBrando wrote:Are you even kidding me? -_- We're not even in winter
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019080418/gfs_ashearMean_atl_12.png

Then, between the patches of blue comes DRY AIR, I bet
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019080418/gfs_shear_atl_29.png


Direction of the shear is important--August 18-24 is usually the switch flip (often somewhere in there, though last year was a week late) and the GFS shows a good-sized wave coming off around the 20th, so that shear off Africa is a massive burst of upper-level easterlies in combination with strong low-level westerlies and strong inflow as it comes off.
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#642 Postby DioBrando » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:32 pm

Hammy wrote:
DioBrando wrote:Are you even kidding me? -_- We're not even in winter
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019080418/gfs_ashearMean_atl_12.png

Then, between the patches of blue comes DRY AIR, I bet
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2019080418/gfs_shear_atl_29.png


Direction of the shear is important--August 18-24 is usually the switch flip (often somewhere in there, though last year was a week late) and the GFS shows a good-sized wave coming off around the 20th, so that shear off Africa is a massive burst of upper-level easterlies in combination with strong low-level westerlies and strong inflow as it comes off.

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#644 Postby Hammy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:45 am

Why are the waves coming off so far to the north?
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#646 Postby NotSparta » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:16 am

Hammy wrote:Why are the waves coming off so far to the north?


They seem at a pretty normal latitude to me

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#648 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:08 am



Not worth anything IMO, EPS almost always says this for peak season. Said it for 2017, too.
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#649 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:09 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:


Not worth anything IMO, EPS almost always says this for peak season. Said it for 2017, too.

I remember there was a similar tweet last year. 45-day TC model forecasts are garbage.
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#650 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:10 am

The July CSU AMO index rose to +1.87, the highest monthly value since 2012.
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#651 Postby jconsor » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:36 am

CyclonicFury wrote:The July CSU AMO index rose to +1.87, the highest monthly value since 2012.


Interesting news. The SST component of the CSU AMO is based only on the far north Atlantic (50-60N latitude), and that constitutes 60% of their entire AMO index. The Jul values of the SST in this region on a year to year basis do not have much correlation with overall and MDR ACE. This is important to bear in mind when interpreting the CSU AMO trends.





The Jul 2019 SLP anomaly in the N Atlantic (10-50N, 70-10W) was the lowest Jul value since 2012, which was also a contributor to the CSU AMO turning the most positive since 2012.

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#652 Postby jconsor » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:43 am

Perhaps more importantly, the AMM (Atlantic Meridional Mode), a measure of the dipole between the Tropical North and South Atlantic, continues to trend upward in Jul and is now near neutral (-0.14). The wind portion of the AMM has been positive since May. Usually the wind portion turning positive leads the SST portion turning positive by a month or two.

From what I can determine, the best AMM analogs to date are 1976, 1989, 2003 and 2012. Other good analogs are 2001 and 1999. All of these years saw significant MDR warming during the course of the hurricane season as shown by the TNA index, which indicates SST anomalies between 5.5-23.5N, 15-57.5W.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/correlation/tna.data

AMM Values:
http://www.aos.wisc.edu/~dvimont/MModes ... me/AMM.txt

More about how AMM is derived and how to interpret it:
http://www.aos.wisc.edu/~dvimont/MModes/AMM.html
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#653 Postby AutoPenalti » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:55 am

Can someone explain all that like I’m 5?
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#654 Postby USTropics » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:59 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:Can someone explain all that like I’m 5?


Think of it as an interhemispheric "dynamic" coupled mode (not quite but similar to El Nino/La Nina but confined to the Atlantic is the best comparison I can give). Essentially, it's the relationship between ocean-atmosphere variability between the North Atlantic and South Atlantic ocean (i.e. the relationship between SSTs and vertical wind shear between the two regions). It's sometimes referred to as the gradient mode or the Atlantic dipole mode. In conjunction with the +AMO, AMM indexes can assist in forecasting tropical activity in the Atlantic and plays an important role in interannual and decadal climate variations. It's also associated with the annual migration of the ITCZ and the transport/gathering of heat in cyclogenesis favored regions through the THC.

Weaker trade winds in the Northern Hemisphere is associated with a more northward shift of the ITCZ, whereas stronger trade winds shift the ITCZ anomalously towards the south. This plays an important role in SSTA configuration and suppression/intensifying evaporation (i.e. latent heat loss). Since everything is better visually, see graphic below from Dr. Gray's 2007 presentation (the left side shows an active hurricane season, whereas the right side shows an inactive hurricane season):

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The top panel shows a strong hurricane season, low pressure offshore Africa and wet west Africa – corresponding to the left panel above, while the bottom panel shows the opposing mode: fewer hurricanes, high pressure offshore Africa and dry west Africa, this time placing the Atlantic circulation modes in the context of global circulation.


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You can read more here: https://climateaudit.org/2007/03/16/bill-gray-and-the-atlantic-meridional-mode/
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#655 Postby Hammy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:05 pm

Really out there question, but how feasible is it that we do actually get through August without anything developing given what some of these tweets are saying? Last year nothing developed in the MDR and I don't see any modeling indicating subtropical development, at last the first half of the season.
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#656 Postby NotSparta » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:56 pm

Hammy wrote:Really out there question, but how feasible is it that we do actually get through August without anything developing given what some of these tweets are saying? Last year nothing developed in the MDR and I don't see any modeling indicating subtropical development, at last the first half of the season.


Based on history, extremely unlikely

Until the end of August last yr the MDR was still hostile due to leftover -AMO, when typically development perks up a week later, and modeling has had trouble picking storms up this yr until a few days before potential formation
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#657 Postby shiny-pebble » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:03 pm

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/stat ... 51201?s=20

Right in time for peak season

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#658 Postby Hammy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 pm

So we're going for what, one subtropical storm (maybe two) in the two months between mid-July and mid-September, given this and what shorter-term models are showing? The CFS is now only concretely developing one system between now and October 1.
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#659 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:40 pm

Hammy wrote:So we're going for what, one subtropical storm (maybe two) in the two months between mid-July and mid-September, given this and what shorter-term models are showing? The CFS is now only concretely developing one system between now and October 1.

A sinking branch does not mean storms cannot form, it just usually results in less activity than normal.
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#660 Postby NotSparta » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:50 pm

Hammy wrote:So we're going for what, one subtropical storm (maybe two) in the two months between mid-July and mid-September, given this and what shorter-term models are showing? The CFS is now only concretely developing one system between now and October 1.


Well, since it has a 100% correct rate, I guess it's time to move onto 2020 :lol:
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