Terri Schiavo Bill passes

ColdFront77 · #21 Postby **ColdFront77** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:12 pm

She is alive. If she goes totally brain dead with the feeding tube in, then the tube should be taken out.

rainstorm · #22 Postby **rainstorm** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:32 pm

but would we treat a dog like this? is the family keeping her alive for their own selfish reasons? its a hard question, but has she been sentenced to a lifetime of total misery? cant know for sure. my own personal feeling is this: if one of her family members gave her an overdose of tranquilexers and put her out of her misery, i would not charge them with a crime.

ColdFront77 · #23 Postby **ColdFront77** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:36 pm

There would be no proof that she will improve, if the food tube were taken out for good.

rainstorm · #24 Postby **rainstorm** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:41 pm

good point, but she has been a vegetable for 13 years now. i have seen nothing that indicates she has any chance for improvement. i just dont think we should rush to judgement against the husband. i honestly think the best thing for her would be to pass away quietly in her sleep. there are good arguments on both sides

OtherHD · #25 Postby **OtherHD** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:51 pm

This is no way to live a life. If I somehow knew that I would be in a vegetative state for as long as Terry, I would want to be taken off of the IV. Nobody should have to suffer like that. I feel so sorry for her. :cry:

Rainband · #26 Postby **Rainband** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:57 pm

Who are we to judge if her "quality of life" is enough to let her live. Obviously a higher power stepped in :wink:

sunnyday · #27 Postby **sunnyday** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:58 pm

I have two nurses in my class, and we were discussing Terri tonight. They feel that Jeb did wrong in agreeing to put the tube back in because she has been off of it for six days, and her body would be shutting down by now. The condition she is in can't be reversed. If it had been put back in one day or even two, things could have been okay. As it is now,
it may be a cruel thing. This is an opinion of medical professionals and food for thought. IMHO, the tube should not have been removed in the first place. Her so-called husband is sick. I have a bad feeling that the hubby will continue his efforts to have her die.

sunnyday · #28 Postby **sunnyday** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:00 pm

By the way, out of 22 students, 20 felt that Jeb's action was a political move. Just a sample of people to be sure, but a definite feeling of what he did. I know many of you vehemently disagree, so let's just agree to disagree.

Anyway, the important thing is Terri and her quality of life.

ColdFront77 · #29 Postby **ColdFront77** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:10 pm

Terry is apparently showing signs of life, she is reacting to things that are moving, that is showing us that she has brain activity... which means she isn't dying/dead.

I heard that her husband tried to kill her, that may be why he really wants the feeding tube to not be reinserted.

Toni - 574 · #30 Postby **Toni - 574** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:24 pm

ColdFront77 wrote:Terry is apparently showing signs of life, she is reacting to things that are moving, that is showing us that she has brain activity... which means she isn't dying/dead.

I heard that her husband tried to kill her, that may be why he really wants the feeding tube to not be reinserted.

Sad to say Tom, but I think you may be right, also her chemical imbalance was most likely from all the dieting she done, because her husband was always telling her that she was too fat!

OtherHD · #31 Postby **OtherHD** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:27 pm

Rainband wrote:Who are we to judge if her "quality of life" is enough to let her live. Obviously a higher power stepped in

Well Johnathan, I am Agnostic (first time I have ever mentioned that here, I believe) so that argument doesn't fly with me.

But think about this, Terry's only way to be kept alive was through IV's, correct? Is that "natural"? Not to me, and because of that, her being kept alive would be against "god's will", would it not? Another thing, why did she go braindead in the first place? Could that not have been a part of "god's plan" for her? Bear with me, I'm just trying to argue with a Christian point of view.

azsnowman · #32 Postby **azsnowman** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:30 pm

How in Gods name can the husband do this?? What gives him the right to decide whether she lives or dies? Oh wait......could it be greed, insurance money? Naaaaa.......he wouldn't do such a thing, would he??

She has a purpose in life, we may never know what it is, only God knows, her work here on Earth wasn't done.....it's up to Him to decide when her time is up.

Dennis

Rainband · #33 Postby **Rainband** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:33 pm

OtherHD wrote:
Rainband wrote:Who are we to judge if her "quality of life" is enough to let her live. Obviously a higher power stepped in

Well Johnathan, I am Agnostic (first time I have ever mentioned that here, I believe) so that argument doesn't fly with me. But think about this, Terry's only way to be kept alive was through IV's, correct? Is that "natural"? Not to me, and because of that, her being kept alive would be against "god's will", would it not? Another thing, why did she go braindead in the first place? Could that not have been a part of "god's plan" for her? Bear with me, I'm just trying to argue with a Christian point of view.

I disagree if her time had come she would be with her father right now.. I was in a horrific car accident ..and walked away from it....if her time comes she will die..no matter what anyone trys to do to stop it. Maybe her being kept alive has a higher purpose......God has a plan I dare not question

GalvestonDuck · #34 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:34 pm

OtherHD wrote: But think about this, Terry's only way to be kept alive was through IV's, correct? Is that "natural"?

Not IV's. Feeding tube...OG...orogastric....from her mouth to her stomach. Nothing unnatural about that. When I eat, my food goes from my mouth to my stomach.

OtherHD · #35 Postby **OtherHD** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:37 pm

Through your esophagus. Not a plastic tube.

rainstorm · #36 Postby **rainstorm** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:40 pm

she has no quality of life. after 13 years its time to give it up. i feel her family is being selfish, thinking of themselves over her. how is her husband a bad person? most doctors say her actions are merely reflexive. there is no evidence whatsoever of cognitive thought

GalvestonDuck · #37 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:45 pm

OtherHD wrote:Through your esophagus. Not a plastic tube.

I was fed for several weeks with an OG tube in the neonatal unit after I was born premature. Should I have not been fed that way because it was "unnatural?" Should we not intubate a trauma victim since it would be with a plastic tube into their lungs and not through his/her trachea?

sunnyday · #38 Postby **sunnyday** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:47 pm

I think her husband is a bad person for many reasons, one of which is that he is an adulterer. His poor wife is lying there in that bad shape, and he is out carrying on with some trashy woman. They even have a child.

Toni - 574 · #39 Postby **Toni - 574** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:58 pm

Rainband wrote:
OtherHD wrote:
Rainband wrote:Who are we to judge if her "quality of life" is enough to let her live. Obviously a higher power stepped in

Well Johnathan, I am Agnostic (first time I have ever mentioned that here, I believe) so that argument doesn't fly with me. But think about this, Terry's only way to be kept alive was through IV's, correct? Is that "natural"? Not to me, and because of that, her being kept alive would be against "god's will", would it not? Another thing, why did she go braindead in the first place? Could that not have been a part of "god's plan" for her? Bear with me, I'm just trying to argue with a Christian point of view.
I disagree if her time had come she would be with her father right now.. I was in a horrific car accident ..and walked away from it....if her time comes she will die..no matter what anyone trys to do to stop it. Maybe her being kept alive has a higher purpose......God has a plan I dare not question

I have said just about all that I can say when it comes to Terri and how I feel (in another thread) But I will say that I agree with you Johnathan 100%(you go guy) Terri's situation has touched so many lives and has made us really search our hearts and soul, GOD is in full control here and he does have a plan!! :wink:

OtherHD · #40 Postby **OtherHD** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:04 pm

All right, back to my own thoughts, My response to Johnathan was looking at it from a Christian perspective because he happened to mention god.

Shawn, I do feel that Terry's being kept alive is unnatural. But the difference between you and her was that you had a legit chance at recovering and being a fully functional human. Terry doesn't have that chance. That's why I PERSONALLY don't see the reason for keeping her alive.

Perhaps I should add that those of you who went through DNR orders, I have been there too, quite recently in fact. My mother died on October 9th. A few months prior to that, she and my dad signed a DNR order without consulting me. I was pretty mad about it, because of course, I didn't want her to die. I wanted her to live as long as possible. She always reminded me in the months prior that it was her dream to see me graduate. Signing the DNR wouldn't allow her to do that. The night she died, her condition was horrible. The way she looked is something I never want to see again in my life. I feel that resuscitating her would prolong that. So I do understand the family's motives for keeping her alive. But I will say this again. I would never want to live the way Terry is living. And I can't imagine anyone else would either.

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