BARBARA BOXER, po'ed partial birth abortion ban passed

[wx247]

its just the republicans are closer to the idea of presonal freedom and liberty. dems and libs are in favor of state control, in other words, fascism.

Unbelievable.

[coriolis]

I'm registered independent and am against abortion on demand. Someone said it well when they said that a woman (and the man, I'll add) has a choice before they make a baby!

I am also against putting people in categories and over generalizing. Nobody is that simple, unless they are just repeating what others say.

[JetMaxx]

This thread is precisely why I never categorize folks by political party, and why I've never called myself a republican...but instead a very conservative independent.

Barbara Boxer is a far left wing liberal. It is no surprise to me whatsoever she's in favor of partial birth abortion. She's also opposed to private gun ownership...and opposed to capitol punishment. She thought former president Clinton did nothing wrong while in office...she probably wants Bush impeached because he went to a war she was opposed too (but if Clinton or Gore were prez, she'd have been all for it

Sure, Senator Boxer is a democrat...a very liberal democrat, but the reason she thinks and believes as she does, and is in favor of partial birth abortions isn't because she's a democrat -- it's because she's a far left wing liberal.

As far as the KKK thing....I do have some personal insight into this. Some Southern Baptists ARE white supremicists...because a friend I grew up with (now deceased) was both a KKK member and a member of the First Baptist Church here in D'ville.

[Lindaloo]

What in the world---KKK are Southern Baptists! I have never heard such a thing. Are you stereotyping Baptists?

Southern Baptist Convention
The Southern Baptists are the largest and most reactionary christian denomination in the USA. They split away from the Baptists in 1845 over slavery, because they thought that slavery was okay. After the civil war, some Southern Baptists founded the Ku Klux Klan. Intense hatred against blacks was to remain the trademark of the Southern Baptists for another century.
In the 1960s, the Southern Baptists supported segregation laws and opposed the black civil rights movement. In 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology to all African-Americans and asked for their forgiveness. At the 1999 convention, after SB membership had dropped for the first time since 1926, Southern Baptist Convention President Paige Patterson unveiled a new, agressive missionary campaign to target the inner cities and minority populations, except gays and lesbians.

Some see these developments as signs that the Southern Baptists have broken with their hateful past. In reality, though, only the target of hate has changed, from black to gay. Gays and lesbians are now the most favourite hated group of the Southern Baptists, and no annual convention goes by without some major rhetorical gay-bashing. The 1999 convention rebuked Clinton for his declaration of June as gay pride month and the nomination of James Hormel as ambassador to Luxembourg.

Many Religious Right leaders are Southern Baptists, such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. The next time you hear these people rant against "moral relativism", remember the appalling moral relativism of their own religion, which only yesterday defended slavery and racism as sanctioned by God.

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An apology to all our Southern Baptists on the board. Sunnyday said she never heard of such a thing.

[j]

I got you beat Lin...a Yankee Catholic in SB land.

[j]

back on topic....it should come as no surprise to anybody that the likes of Barbara Boxer would vote against PBA. One of her bestest buddies is Dianne Feinstein. Here is some of her junk:

"This is the first bill since Roe v. Wade in 1973 that outlaws safe medical procedures and recriminalizes abortion. So, it is a major step back in the constant right-wing march to obliterate a woman's right to control her own reproductive system and the entire choice movement in the country.


This bill is unconstitutional for two reasons. First, the bill uses a vague definition of dilation and extraction abortion or D&X abortion (this technique is also called intact dilation and evacuation abortion [intact D&E] or, incorrectly, 'partial-birth' abortion). The bill does NOT track the scientific definition used by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. I believe that it does so purposely to impact second-trimester abortions. Because the definition is so loose, the bill will ban and otherwise interfere with perfectly legal, permissible abortion techniques. It will also have a chilling effect on doctors, who will be afraid to perform abortions other than D&X for fear that they will be subject to investigation and prosecution.


Second, the bill lacks any health exception. The Supreme Court ruled in Stenberg v. Carhart that any ban MUST have a health exception. This bill has NO health exception. Why are we bothering to pass a bill that is so clearly unconstitutional? The only reason I can think of is that the proponents do not believe that the health of a mother is sufficient reason to interrupt a pregnancy for good cause."

What I get from Feinsteing and Boxer, and all others of their mold is they really don't give a rats ass about the life a baby. It's all about the right for a woman to kill a baby, and they are very upset because there is no "Health Exception" in this bill.

Well.....think about it. No sooner would you put that provision in the bill, and woman would be executing their babies because they have a freakin' cold.

[Derek Ortt]

The use of a chemical weapon against another person is a violation of international law and the international laws of warfare. Abortion involves using a chemical weapon to destroy the life of the child. Therefore, the act of abortion is an act of war since it involves the use of a chemical solution (not including partial birth abortion). The US Constitution clearly states that making war against another American is treason. Therefore, abortion is treason and should be punished accordingly

[rainstorm]

abortion is wrong

[blizzard]

The use of a chemical weapon against another person is a violation of international law and the international laws of warfare. Abortion involves using a chemical weapon to destroy the life of the child. Therefore, the act of abortion is an act of war since it involves the use of a chemical solution (not including partial birth abortion). The US Constitution clearly states that making war against another American is treason. Therefore, abortion is treason and should be punished accordingly

Some do not consider an unborn child a person yet, therefor cannot be considered murder, treason, or using a chemical weapon agains another human being. Until we change this mindset, legalized abortion will remain in some fashion.

[Lindaloo]

I did not know they used any chemicals to abort a baby. I have read where they use a machine which is too horrible to go into details.

[blizzard]

Some of the methods for first trimester abortions use a pill, which I would consider a chemical weapon. I thought that I had heard that they are using medication for second trimester fetuses also. Although an abortion this late into the pregnancy required birthing of the expired fetus. That is the worst.

[Derek Ortt]

One method involves using a saline solution, which burns the child to death, alive

[JCT777]

Abortion is never OK in my book unless it is necessary to preserve the life of the mother. But I don't think there will be U.S. laws to that effect any time soon.