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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2221 Postby TXdaddy217 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:26 am

Brent wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:0z GFS is looking quite consistent with the 18z through hour 60, and doesn’t look much like the NAM changes. Wondering if the new data hasn’t in yet. Precip sheild looks more intense out west though


A foot of snow out by Abilene again :double:

Correction 15 inches :double:

https://i.ibb.co/GnYHvzP/gfs-asnow-scus-13.png

This would be Awesome !! Can't wait to see what happens. It's starting to get fun.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2222 Postby Cerlin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:35 am

Ok, up next, the 00z euro...will it shift SE? will it be more progressive? will it increase its qpf? will it show 80 degrees instead? All will be revealed...:hehe:
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2223 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:50 am

GEFS continues to trend worse :spam: not a single member even has an inch :double:

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looking west Abilene has a mean of 3 inches and Wichita Falls 7 inches
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2224 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:55 am

Does that particular output include sleet or just snow?
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2225 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:04 am

Texas Snow wrote:Does that particular output include sleet or just snow?


I'm not sure but DFW is really on the edge on these and a cold rain is way too close

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2226 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:07 am

Rain on the euro and the precip is clearing out rather quickly :spam: most of the snow even NW is gone by 18z

2nd wave is approaching at 0z
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2227 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am

Welp that’s the trough for today’s DFW roller coaster ride. I think I’ll go to bed and see if I can catch it on the way back up tomorrow morning
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2228 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:11 am

A foot in Wichita Falls :double:

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2229 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:11 am

Brent wrote:GEFS continues to trend worse :spam: not a single member even has an inch :double:

https://i.ibb.co/y4FV3qc/index-12.png

looking west Abilene has a mean of 3 inches and Wichita Falls 7 inches

It really is strange. If I remember correctly, the NAM and GFS feed off the same data, but GFS and it’s ensembles look remarkably similar to the 18z, while evolution on the NAM has changed a bit. I do wonder if the new data the NAM received wasn’t fed into the GFS. I guess we’ll see if the 6z shows more of the same, or if it moves closer to the NAM.

I must say though, now that we’re in sufficiently close range to the event, if I had to choose, I would rather see the NAM show a favorable pattern than the gfs. In severe weather episodes over the past year, I’ve been burned on not trusting NAM on the evolution of the 500mb pattern, only to find it being the closest to accurate, above the globals or the other hi res models in the near term.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2230 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:13 am

Maybe a dusting Thursday morning for DFW but yeah this run sucks while 2 hours up the road is buried
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2231 Postby Ntxw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:18 am

Brent wrote:A foot in Wichita Falls :double:

https://i.ibb.co/HT8STQm/sn10-acc-us-sc-9.png


Eerie isn't it? 60mph+ wind gusts this evening in the Vegas area like it was back then out that way.

2009 Maaco Bowl December 22nd

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BYU wore their alternate royal blue jerseys, and OSU wore their away white jerseys.

Weather was a significant factor in the game, with wind gusts up to 50 mph at times. At one point in the game the net used to catch field goals and PAT attempts, blew into the goalpost and became lodged, causing several minutes of delays as the game officials and field workers addressed the problems. ESPN, who was providing television coverage of the game, was forced to take down its Skycam, which traverses above the field, due to safety concerns created by the high winds. Oregon State was also unable to punt very well with the wind. They had 2 punts into the wind which netted 6 yards each."


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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2232 Postby Jarodm12 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:19 am

Cmc euro hold strong, nam trends colder and with lower dew points, truth is the high res models will have to resolve this tomorrow, for now it could go either way
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2233 Postby Brent » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:38 am

DFW right around 32 on the NAM still showing hints of a dry slot too :lol: it's definitely more ice than snow until you get into Oklahoma and up towards the Falls and again it's freaky close to just being rain in the metro

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2234 Postby Tammie » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:07 am

Latest from the NWS


000
FXUS64 KFWD 030855
AFDFWD

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Fort Worth TX
255 AM CST Mon Feb 3 2020


.SHORT TERM... /Issued 1218 AM CST Mon Feb 3 2020/
/This Morning through Tonight/

No major changes to the late afternoon/early forecasts through
today, outside removing the potential for thunderstorms this
afternoon in favor of showers. Otherwise, plentiful mid-high level
moisture streaming northeastward within southwest flow aloft
continues through much of the day today. However, despite
occasional mid level impulses and increasing low level warm
advection, very dry low levels below 700mb will take quite a bit
of time to saturate down for much in the way of measurable
rainfall, though a few rogue light showers may visit Central Texas
late in the day. A tight surface pressure gradient well in advance
of deepening low pressure across Kansas into Eastern Colorado will
help to maintain breezy south winds 15-20 mph with occasional
gusts in excess of 25 mph. After a mild start to the day by early
February standards, the impressive warm advection should easily
counter the decrease in insolation from the mid-high cloud canopy
to warm temperatures back into the lower 70s for most this afternoon.

The top-down moistening of the environmental layer continues
tonight in advance of our anticipated strong arctic cold front
dropping south through Kansas and into Oklahoma tonight. Periodic
mid level impulses will not only help to gradually moisten the low
levels tonight, but will also contribute to steepening mid level
lapse rates approaching 7 Deg C/Km, increasing MUCAPE...or in
general terms...instability. Enough modest large-scale ascent will
occur across particularly our Central and East Texas counties
where higher quality moisture and advection will be centered.
Showers will be on the increase in advance of our approaching
arctic front, with the instability providing the potential for a
few embedded and elevated thunderstorms. Despite impressive deep
layer shear, the instability will be mostly confined aloft and not
overly impressive. We do not anticipate any severe weather and
most of the thunderstorm activity will be of the general variety
with brief downpours and lightning strikes being the primary
hazard. The continued gusty southerly winds in advance of the cold
front will combine with abundant cloud cover at multiple levels
for warm low temperatures in mid 50s to lower 60s for most, though
areas in our far western counties and immediate Red River Valley
may see lows in the upper 40s as the cold front enters those areas
right before daybreak Tuesday.

05/

&&

.LONG TERM... /NEW/
/Tuesday and Beyond/

The arrival of an arctic front will be imminent at the start of
the period. The front will be on our doorstep by daybreak
Tuesday, then will plunge southward during the day and likely
clear the southern zones prior to sunset. Scattered showers and
an isolated storm or 2 will be possible along the boundary, but
the fast and shallow nature of the southward-expanding frontal
layer should keep convection benign and short-lived.

Rapidly falling post-frontal temperatures will have readings
ranging from near freezing in the northwest counties to the mid
and upper 40s across the southeast by midnight Tuesday night.
Meanwhile, a deepening upper trough over the southern Rockies will
place North and Central Texas beneath a region of strengthening
isentropic lift. An area of precipitation will subsequently
develop over the Big Country and spread east-northeastward into
North Texas around midnight. Rain will likely transition to a mix
of freezing rain and sleet as temperatures fall below 32. This
transition zone will expend eastward with time as strong cold air
advection maintains the trend of steadily falling temperatures.

After the brief bout of freezing rain and sleet, areas roughly
along and northwest of a line from Gainesville to Cisco should
quickly transition to a sleet-snow mix, then all snow by daybreak
Wednesday; as deep column cooling results from the advancing
trough to our west. Accumulations of a sleet/snow combination of 1
to 3 inches with locally higher amounts will be possible in these
areas by midday Wednesday, and some travel problems could very
well arise for folks heading west on I-20 or northwest on Highway
287. A Winter Storm Watch has therefore been added for our 8
northwestern-most counties beginning midnight Tuesday night and
going through the day Wednesday. There is still plenty of
uncertainty regarding exact totals, but with some guidance going
considerably higher than 3", we feel the watch is warranted at
this time.

Farther east, or for areas extending along a line from
Bonham to DFW to Lampasas, temperatures will be near freezing by
daybreak Wednesday, where a combination rain/freezing rain and
sleet is more likely for Wednesday morning. Temperatures will
hover near or just below freezing, allowing for accumulations on
mainly elevated surfaces. These accumulations of ice/sleet may
still be enough to have an impact on bridges and overpasses, so it
is advisable to continue to keep up with the latest forecast updates
as more data becomes available over the next 24 hours. A cold
rain will then be the norm for the southeastern third of the
region.

Most precipitation will lift northeastward out of the area
Wednesday afternoon and evening. However, another batch of winter
precipitation may develop Wednesday night, as the upper trough
axis passes east across the region. This precipitation would be
primarily, if not all, in the form of snow. Just about everyone
will have a shot to experience it, though little or no accumulation
is expected as any winter precipitation would be very light.

CLouds and precip will exit on Thursday, but the lingering arctic
airmass will keep the cold air in place through Thursday night.
Temperatures should recover to near-normal readings on Friday. A
passing shortwave may bring a slight chance of rain on Saturday,
but POPs will be kept below 20 percent due to a lack of
appreciable moisture. Good rain chances return during the first
half of next week as the next upper level trough approaches.

30

&&

.AVIATION... /Issued 1218 AM CST Mon Feb 3 2020/
/06z TAFs/

Concerns and challenges: Timing arrival of MVFR cigs late today or
this evening, then possible IFR cigs across Central Texas early
Tuesday morning. Potential for isolated thunderstorms, especially
the Waco Regional area tonight.

Southwest flow aloft will continue with most moisture contained
above 600mb, but then seeing some top-down saturation down to
around/or just below 700mb this coming afternoon. Despite a strong
southwesterly LLJ of 30-40 knots across the area tonight, low
levels will remain too dry for any stratus advection or formation
through 12z Monday. The one challenge it will present is more than
a 30 degree veering of the LLJ compared to straight S winds 15
knots or less at the surface...resulting in LLWS issues between
FL015-020. This will be maintained in the TAF through 15z. By
then, warming and mixing of the surface-boundary layer should
allow for slight veering and strengthening surface winds 15-20
knots and dissipating the LLWS threat.

The strong and continued low level warm advection today into this
evening, along with occasional mid level impulses should result in
VFR cigs lowering after 00z Tuesday with MVFR cigs likely arriving
in the 03z-06z Tuesday time frame. In addition, mid level lapse
rates will increase with MUCAPE values increasing by 03z Tuesday
and after for high-based and mostly elevated TS near and east of
all D10 terminals. At this point, confidence and coverage appear
too low for any VCTS or TSRA mention in the extended pds of this
06z TAF set.

Otherwise, occasionally gusty S winds 10-15 knots with gusts to,
or in excess of 25 knots at times can be expected throughout the
TAFs at all airports.

05/

&&


.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
Dallas-Ft. Worth 74 59 64 32 38 / 5 30 40 50 80
Waco 74 60 72 35 41 / 20 30 30 40 60
Paris 71 58 64 35 39 / 20 50 60 40 80
Denton 74 56 60 31 37 / 5 30 40 50 80
McKinney 72 57 63 32 38 / 5 30 50 50 80
Dallas 73 60 67 32 39 / 5 30 40 50 80
Terrell 71 60 69 35 40 / 20 40 40 40 80
Corsicana 72 61 71 37 40 / 20 40 40 40 80
Temple 74 59 74 36 41 / 20 40 30 40 50
Mineral Wells 76 54 59 28 35 / 5 10 30 60 50

&&

.FWD WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
Winter Storm Watch from late Tuesday night through Wednesday
afternoon for TXZ091-092-100>102-115-116-129.

&&

$$

30/05
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2235 Postby Cerlin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:00 am

Not much change in 6z GFS at all it appears.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2236 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:57 am

Cerlin wrote:Not much change in 6z GFS at all it appears.

Maybe a degree or so colder so frozen precip is a touch further SE but then change is really insignificant at this range. For DFW, I am getting concerned about this being a freezing rain and sleet threat during the day Wed. Sleet accumulates even on warm surfaces. If temps are around 28 then freezing rain can cause terrible problems also. Most of the snow Wed looks to stay W and NW of DFW. The Wed night wave would likely bring snow to areas SE of DFW primaril6 if there is still is enough moisture.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2237 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:04 am

DFW not included in the Winter Storm Watch

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2238 Postby EnnisTx » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:14 am

bubba hotep wrote:DFW not included in the Winter Storm Watch

https://i.ibb.co/yyBP5Fz/IMG-20200203-070228.jpg


I think that will change late tonight or early tomorrow. Don't see us missing out on this, even if it's not the type :wink: most of us don't want.....
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2239 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:25 am

Well, frick. Pretty poor trends. :(
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#2240 Postby EnnisTx » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:29 am

Crazy to think it was 81 yesterday and I was catching bass and crappie out the wazoo and it all comes crashing down late Tuesday/Wednesday. We need it though, need to get this lack of winter weather out of everyone's head.
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