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#101 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:55 pm

It's still early, but we have unanimous signals for at least an above average season, perhaps hyperactive. Westerly wind bursts across the equatorial Pacific have been replaced by easterlies, and the MJO looks unable to maintain a coherent signal across the Pacific to switch these winds. Subsurface ocean heat content is decreasing, and a large cold pool is progressing. We should see steady cooling of the ENSO over the next months, with La Nina arriving before the peak of the season. The CFS suggests Nino 3.4 temperatures around -1.5C by October. This is probably a little aggressive but nonetheless gives confidence that we won't be seeing a positive ENSO for the peak. Accordingly, it depicts low shear basin-wide, coupled with above-average precipitation signals. Ocean temperatures have been above average most of this year, and forecasts show this should continue.

15-8-3 ACE 140 as a starting point?
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#102 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:16 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:It's still early, but we have unanimous signals for at least an above average season, perhaps hyperactive. Westerly wind bursts across the equatorial Pacific have been replaced by easterlies, and the MJO looks unable to maintain a coherent signal across the Pacific to switch these winds. Subsurface ocean heat content is decreasing, and a large cold pool is progressing. We should see steady cooling of the ENSO over the next months, with La Nina arriving before the peak of the season. The CFS suggests Nino 3.4 temperatures around -1.5C by October. This is probably a little aggressive but nonetheless gives confidence that we won't be seeing a positive ENSO for the peak. Accordingly, it depicts low shear basin-wide, coupled with above-average precipitation signals. Ocean temperatures have been above average most of this year, and forecasts show this should continue.

15-8-3 ACE 140 as a starting point?

Most intense Atlantic seasons by ACE index (since 1950) vs. February AMO value:

1) 2005: +0.06
2) 1995: -1.33
3) 2004: +0.71
4) 2017: +0.08
5) 1950: -0.12
6) 1961: -0.13
7) 1998: +0.46
8) 1999: -0.28
9) 1969: 0.98
10) 1996: -0.44

Mean February AMO: -0.001

2020: -1.30

So far, out of all the years listed, 2020 has by far the most negative AMO value in February. Only 1995—which marked the transition between long-term -AMO/+AMO regimes—had a similarly negative value. Based solely on these data, the odds in favour of a very active 2020 season do not appear to be especially great. Your numbers and ACE look quite reasonable at this stage. Anything more than a slightly-above-average season seems quite improbable at this stage. However, things can always change.
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#103 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:43 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:It's still early, but we have unanimous signals for at least an above average season, perhaps hyperactive. Westerly wind bursts across the equatorial Pacific have been replaced by easterlies, and the MJO looks unable to maintain a coherent signal across the Pacific to switch these winds. Subsurface ocean heat content is decreasing, and a large cold pool is progressing. We should see steady cooling of the ENSO over the next months, with La Nina arriving before the peak of the season. The CFS suggests Nino 3.4 temperatures around -1.5C by October. This is probably a little aggressive but nonetheless gives confidence that we won't be seeing a positive ENSO for the peak. Accordingly, it depicts low shear basin-wide, coupled with above-average precipitation signals. Ocean temperatures have been above average most of this year, and forecasts show this should continue.

15-8-3 ACE 140 as a starting point?

Most intense Atlantic seasons by ACE index (since 1950) vs. February AMO value:

1) 2005: +0.06
2) 1995: -1.33
3) 2004: +0.71
4) 2017: +0.08
5) 1950: -0.12
6) 1961: -0.13
7) 1998: +0.46
8) 1999: -0.28
9) 1969: 0.98
10) 1996: -0.44

Mean February AMO: -0.001

2020: -1.30

So far, out of all the years listed, 2020 has by far the most negative AMO value in February. Only 1995—which marked the transition between long-term -AMO/+AMO regimes—had a similarly negative value. Based solely on these data, the odds in favour of a very active 2020 season do not appear to be especially great. Your numbers and ACE look quite reasonable at this stage. Anything more than a slightly-above-average season seems quite improbable at this stage. However, things can always change.

Klotzbach's AMO index has proven to be a pretty awful ACE predictor the past four seasons. It has consistently been negative, yet the Atlantic has had four consecutive above average seasons including a hyperactive season.
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#104 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:06 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:It's still early, but we have unanimous signals for at least an above average season, perhaps hyperactive. Westerly wind bursts across the equatorial Pacific have been replaced by easterlies, and the MJO looks unable to maintain a coherent signal across the Pacific to switch these winds. Subsurface ocean heat content is decreasing, and a large cold pool is progressing. We should see steady cooling of the ENSO over the next months, with La Nina arriving before the peak of the season. The CFS suggests Nino 3.4 temperatures around -1.5C by October. This is probably a little aggressive but nonetheless gives confidence that we won't be seeing a positive ENSO for the peak. Accordingly, it depicts low shear basin-wide, coupled with above-average precipitation signals. Ocean temperatures have been above average most of this year, and forecasts show this should continue.

15-8-3 ACE 140 as a starting point?

Most intense Atlantic seasons by ACE index (since 1950) vs. February AMO value:

1) 2005: +0.06
2) 1995: -1.33
3) 2004: +0.71
4) 2017: +0.08
5) 1950: -0.12
6) 1961: -0.13
7) 1998: +0.46
8) 1999: -0.28
9) 1969: 0.98
10) 1996: -0.44

Mean February AMO: -0.001

2020: -1.30

So far, out of all the years listed, 2020 has by far the most negative AMO value in February. Only 1995—which marked the transition between long-term -AMO/+AMO regimes—had a similarly negative value. Based solely on these data, the odds in favour of a very active 2020 season do not appear to be especially great. Your numbers and ACE look quite reasonable at this stage. Anything more than a slightly-above-average season seems quite improbable at this stage. However, things can always change.

Klotzbach's AMO index has proven to be a pretty awful ACE predictor the past four seasons. It has consistently been negative, yet the Atlantic has had four consecutive above average seasons including a hyperactive season.

Actually, based on the link I posted, the mean CSU-based ACE index was positive in ASO for three of the past four seasons (2018 being the sole exception):

2016: +0.20
2017: +0.16
2018: -0.80
2019: +0.90

These are the averages for the three months of ASO.

Anyway, aside from 2017, none of those years was hyperactive.

2020 may well be another slightly-above-average year like 2016, 2018, or 2019, not another 2005 or '17.
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#105 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:56 pm

Large scale rising motion is already concentrating over the entire Atlantic and the long range Euro is showing no interruptions through the first week of May.
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Who knows if this branch will maintain itself into the summer but if it does, I would expect hurricane numbers to be on the higher side.

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#106 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:20 pm

Has anyone recently seen the Gulf of Mexico SST’s? They’re running a good bit above average especially in the Northern GoM. Considering several including Crown Weather are more worried for the Gulf Coast and Caribbean in terms of landfall risk is concerned it’s something to keep a real close eye on!

 https://twitter.com/hurricanetrack/status/1242898308466606080


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#107 Postby NotSparta » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:08 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Large scale rising motion is already concentrating over the entire Atlantic and the long range Euro is showing no interruptions through the first week of May.
https://i.imgur.com/BRc04e0.png

Who knows if this branch will maintain itself into the summer but if it does, I would expect hurricane numbers to be on the higher side.

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Looks to be keen on a sinking branch around 120°E which would put the lid on a La Niña. Though, it is rather expansive and seems to not really favor an El Niño either
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#108 Postby Chris90 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:16 pm

I believe I mentioned this last year, but I think in regards to ENSO and its effects on the season, it's not even so much about is it positive or negative, but trend and the rate the trend is moving seem to me to have an overall effect.
I think if you gave an average citizen with no knowledge of hurricanes some basic tenets (like El Niño favors EPAC, La Niña favors Atlantic), told them about the 2005 Atlantic season and showed them some statistics, then asked them the question: What do you believe the ENSO state was in 2005? They would probably use the basic info they were given and say 2005 was a pretty decent Niña year.

2005 did end up going La Niña, but it trended that way steadily over the year, and didn't even post a La Niña trimonthly until the October-November-December period.

2018 is similar for the EPAC/CPAC. If you just looked at season statistics without consulting any ENSO statistics you'd probably assume there was a strong Niño in place
to help the season generate record breaking ACE. Nope.
2018 started the year at Niña values, and didn't have a Niño trimonthly until September-October-November.

It seems to me that years that transition at a slower, more steady pace can really favor boosting numbers for either basin depending on what way ENSO is leaning.

I'm going to watch over the next few weeks to see how ENSO state is evolving, how fast it seems to be evolving, and how ENSO modeling trends.

Also, just to note, I use 2005 and 2018 as extreme examples for the two different basins, I'm not calling for a season like that.

Another thing I want to mention real quick is there is currently quite a bit of heat content out in the Atlantic for March, more than usual. The area between 0-10°N and between S. America and Africa is running above average. There's currently more heat content there than this time in March 2005 and March 2017. 2010 looked decently comparable when I went through it. I'm on my phone right now so I can't do it, but I'm going to try to get on my computer tomorrow and post the graphics here for comparison.
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#109 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:23 am

NotSparta wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Large scale rising motion is already concentrating over the entire Atlantic and the long range Euro is showing no interruptions through the first week of May.
https://i.imgur.com/BRc04e0.png

Who knows if this branch will maintain itself into the summer but if it does, I would expect hurricane numbers to be on the higher side.

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Looks to be keen on a sinking branch around 120°E which would put the lid on a La Niña. Though, it is rather expansive and seems to not really favor an El Niño either

Long range (into May) shows a sinking branch holding over the MC and the WPAC (120E-165E), but breaks down over the EPAC with rising air setting up from 120W to the ATL MDR. SPB in full effect.
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#110 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:58 am

TheStormExpert wrote:Has anyone recently seen the Gulf of Mexico SST’s? They’re running a good bit above average especially in the Northern GoM. Considering several including Crown Weather are more worried for the Gulf Coast and Caribbean in terms of landfall risk is concerned it’s something to keep a real close eye on!

https://twitter.com/hurricanetrack/status/1242898308466606080

This is a rather typical -AMO feature: warmest SSTA near the continental U.S. (subtropics, Gulf Coast, East Coast), relatively cooler SSTA in the Caribbean/MDR.

Anyway, those +SSTA do not guarantee significant homegrown development: most landfalling major hurricanes in the U.S. have historically developed in the MDR.
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#111 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:15 am

NotSparta wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Large scale rising motion is already concentrating over the entire Atlantic and the long range Euro is showing no interruptions through the first week of May.
https://i.imgur.com/BRc04e0.png

Who knows if this branch will maintain itself into the summer but if it does, I would expect hurricane numbers to be on the higher side.

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Looks to be keen on a sinking branch around 120°E which would put the lid on a La Niña. Though, it is rather expansive and seems to not really favor an El Niño either

Indeed. This would make a well-above-average Atlantic season quite improbable, as opposed to a near-to-slightly-above-average year, which is far more probable and realistic. Based on mean MEI data for ASO, seven of the top ten years for ACE (since 1950) featured La Niña for ASO (bolded). Clearly, so long as a +AMO in place, the stronger La Niña gets, the more intense a season peaks.

1) 2005: -0.081
2) 1995: -0.731
3) 2004: +0.3075
4) 2017: -0.4965
5) 1950: -0.838
6) 1961: -0.5275
7) 1998: -0.841
8) 1999: -1.3805
9) 1969: +0.902
10) 1996: -0.536
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#114 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:06 am

According to CDAS SSTA data, daily SSTs in the MDR have been consistently above average since January 4—despite a ragingly +NAO in the same timeframe. As the NAO is likely to go negative over the next few weeks, SSTs in the MDR, if anything, may even warm at least a bit further, implying a three-month-long stretch of above-average SSTA. If these +SSTA can be maintained over the upcoming months, past the spring predictability barrier, then I would certainly start to contemplate a potentially hyperactive season, based on increased prospects of a +AMO, in addition to other (potentially) favourable indices, especially the -PDO and possible La Niña conditions.

Source: Tropical Tidbits (for SSTA data)
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#115 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:16 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:It's still early, but we have unanimous signals for at least an above average season, perhaps hyperactive. Westerly wind bursts across the equatorial Pacific have been replaced by easterlies, and the MJO looks unable to maintain a coherent signal across the Pacific to switch these winds. Subsurface ocean heat content is decreasing, and a large cold pool is progressing. We should see steady cooling of the ENSO over the next months, with La Nina arriving before the peak of the season. The CFS suggests Nino 3.4 temperatures around -1.5C by October. This is probably a little aggressive but nonetheless gives confidence that we won't be seeing a positive ENSO for the peak. Accordingly, it depicts low shear basin-wide, coupled with above-average precipitation signals. Ocean temperatures have been above average most of this year, and forecasts show this should continue.

15-8-3 ACE 140 as a starting point?

Most intense Atlantic seasons by ACE index (since 1950) vs. February AMO value:

1) 2005: +0.06
2) 1995: -1.33
3) 2004: +0.71
4) 2017: +0.08
5) 1950: -0.12
6) 1961: -0.13
7) 1998: +0.46
8) 1999: -0.28
9) 1969: 0.98
10) 1996: -0.44

Mean February AMO: -0.001

2020: -1.30

So far, out of all the years listed, 2020 has by far the most negative AMO value in February. Only 1995—which marked the transition between long-term -AMO/+AMO regimes—had a similarly negative value. Based solely on these data, the odds in favour of a very active 2020 season do not appear to be especially great. Your numbers and ACE look quite reasonable at this stage. Anything more than a slightly-above-average season seems quite improbable at this stage. However, things can always change.

Klotzbach's AMO index puts far too much stock in cold waters in the vicinity of Greenland. As you pointed out in your last post, waters in the MDR have been above average since the first few days of January. The CFS projects basin-wide warmth continuing, albeit with the warmest anomalies focused in the subtropics like we've seen the past several years. That shouldn't hinder tropical activity if combined with a favorable upper-level pattern (like we saw in 2017 and even to a lesser extent in 16/18/19). If anything, it increases the chances of a destructive year since those warm anomalies would strengthen the Bermuda high.
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#116 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:15 pm

Shell Mound wrote:According to CDAS SSTA data, daily SSTs in the MDR have been consistently above average since January 4—despite a ragingly +NAO in the same timeframe. As the NAO is likely to go negative over the next few weeks, SSTs in the MDR, if anything, may even warm at least a bit further, implying a three-month-long stretch of above-average SSTA. If these +SSTA can be maintained over the upcoming months, past the spring predictability barrier, then I would certainly start to contemplate a potentially hyperactive season, based on increased prospects of a +AMO, in addition to other (potentially) favourable indices, especially the -PDO and possible La Niña conditions.

Source: Tropical Tidbits (for SSTA data)

Just yesterday you were saying no La Niña I’m pretty sure, why the sudden change?
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#117 Postby StruThiO » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:48 pm

did someone say -nao?
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#118 Postby gatorcane » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:05 pm

Looking like it will be quite an active MDR between Lesser Antilles and Africa indeed. Note warmer waters in the Gulf. Will be watching for May/June development there.

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#119 Postby NotSparta » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:00 pm

Hovmoller diagram from the 18z GFS today shows an extended period of strongly weakened trade winds coming up soon (as with previous runs). Appears that the MDR SSTAs may get some sort of bounce into April

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#120 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:34 am

Off topic but this thread has the 2020 hurricane season looking like:
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