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Oddball 2020 Hurricane Season Outlook Using the Chinese Zodiac (12 year / 60 year cycle)

#1 Postby FireRat » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:46 am

Hi S2K folks, I normally don't go nuts here with stuff like this, but given the year we're in, I couldn't resist posting...
After kicking the idea around for weeks, I finally got the courage to make this offbeat, perhaps amusing, 2020 Hurricane Season prediction thread, and as the disclaimer says above, this is not an official forecast, but instead is a really oddball look at the coming hurricane season using the Chinese Zodiac!

Now that I got this out of the way, let’s have some fun:

Think back to a time before Covid-19 when you dined in at your local Chinese restaurant. Their table mats most likely had the Chinese zodiac printed all over it, showing you 12 animal zodiac signs corresponding to different years of birth, and according to those animal signs you would have certain personal characteristics. Imagine now if this could be applied to the Hurricane Season as well.
There are 12 animal years and in this thread, we'll focus on "the Year of the Rat", which is 2020's Animal, and what it may have in store for the Atlantic basin!
Brace yourself, because here begins the madness...

The Chinese Zodiac
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It actually gets a little more complex than most people think, because this ancient astrology system also assigns 5 different elements (Metal, Water, Wood, Fire, Earth) to the yearly animal signs, making for a total of 60 different year combinations.
Here’s some history on the origin of the zodiac, for those interested, in the link below:
https://depts.washington.edu/triolive/quest/2007/TTQ07030/history.html
This ancient wisdom handed down by the Chinese is thousands of years old, and perhaps, just perhaps, it may also extend into tropical meteorology. :lol:

Honestly though, in a little more scientific tone, there may be some kind of recurring significant weather patterns happening, to some degree, every 12 years / 60 years around the world for some reason. If we take a step back for science's sake, we could say that Chinese Astrology indicates that there are possibly 12-year and 60-year natural cycles at play, and the animal signs only make it easier to point them out. I've always liked to use this zodiac, experimentally, to see how coming hurricane seasons might behave and haven't really posted this stuff before, but now that we're in this particular year, I felt the need to share this because of the following:

The year 2020 falls within possibly the most ominous 12-year cycle, the Year of the Rat, and one which is called the Metal Rat which happens every 60 years.
Going back sixty years we get to 1960, the year of Hurricane Donna, sixty years further back we get to 1900, the Galveston Hurricane year, and twice sixty (120 yrs back) we get to the infamous 1780 season. Only 1840 wasn't eventful, therefore according to this wizardry, 2020 is likely to be highly destructive...with the theme probably being one or more high-impact hurricanes, whether the total storm numbers are high or not. Both 1780 and 1900 are in the top 5 deadliest seasons on record in the Atlantic. Coincidence? This year combination apparently is snake eyes!

I did some serious digging around and found the data needed to make my 2020 prediction. Before you guys see my outlook for 2020, let's take a close look at the first of two main parameters...
The first parameter is the seasonal numbers in Total Storms/Hurricanes/Majors format (T/H/M) for all 'Rat Years' since 1851.

PARAMETER 1 -
Past Rat Year Cycles and their seasonal numbers (T/H/M), dating back to 1851:

1851 - 1950 era:

1852 - 5/5/1
1864 - 5/3/0
1876 - 5/4/2
1888 - 9/6/2
1900 - 7/3/2
1912 - 7/4/1
1924 - 11/5/2
1936 - 17/7/1
1948 - 10/6/4

Average of these years = 8.44/4.78/1.66, when rounded = 8/5/2. Not bad for a time when up to 6 storms may have been missed each year, according to the NHC's Christopher Landsea (reference, "Counting Atlantic Tropical Cyclones back to 1900"). This indicates these kind of years are normally busy, with strong hurricane presence even in very old records. The numbers here are almost equal to the 1950-2000 average of 9.6/5.9/2.3, so adjusting for fair comparison, many of these olden Rat years were likely well above average.

1950 - present era:

1960 - 8/4/2
1972 - 7/3/0
1984 - 13/5/1
1996 - 13/9/6
2008 - 16/8/5

Average of these years = 11.4/5.8/2.8, when rounded = 11/6/3. This is the result of the slower era skewed by the beginning of the active era, and it still shows higher activity than the 9.6/5.9/2.3 average from 1950 to 2000.
Also, if we look at the newer average for 1981-2010 which is 12/6/3, the seasons of 1984/1996/2008 averaged out to 14/7/4, corresponding to about 120% greater than an already busy average.
Now this next average could be the most important one concerning our current times:

*Ever since the current active era began in 1995 - the 1996/2008 'rat year' average is 14.5/8.5/5.5, which when rounded is 15/9/6*
15/9/6 is quite significant even for the current era, especially regarding major hurricanes, and with an even higher than high-level of activity being predicted by many experts this year in their seasonal outlooks, my wacky outlook adds 4 to the avg number of total storms above, but keeps the # of hurricanes and majors in line with the 1996/2008 averages, resulting in 19/9/6. The 19 total named storms is obtained by averaging the '15' from the 1996/2008 avg, with the upper extreme total storm number predicted so far as of April 2020, a whopping 22 named storms from NC state's prediction. (15+22)/2 = 18.5 = rounded to 19.
We'll probably get to Teddy this year.

Outlook: 2020 - 19/9/6
ACE Range = 175 - 225
Numbers like these say 2020 might be in the league of these recent busy seasons ... 1995, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2017.

Now lets have a look at the 2nd parameter...

PARAMETER 2 -
Significant (Cat 2+) Landfalls / Impacts during the Rat Year Cycle:

Before 1851:

1768 Earth Rat:
Oct - Major Hurricane strikes much of Cuba from west to east on Oct 15, devastating Havana and killing about 1,000 persons.
1780 Metal Rat:
June - St. Lucia Hurricane of 1780, the first killer of the year, left 4000-5000 dead across the Lesser Antilles and Puerto Rico.
Aug - The Louisiana Hurricane of 1780, likely a Cat 4 based on accounts, devastated New Orleans.
Oct - The Great Hurricane of 1780, The Savanna-La Mar Hurricane, and Solano's Hurricane. 27,000+ deaths, 22,000 from The Great Hurricane alone, likely a Category 5. This season deserves mention even though it's before the 1851-present because of its extreme impact. This brutal season was probably like a combination of 2005 and 2017 both in tracks and impacts. There were at least 5 major-impact storms that season.
1804 Wood Rat:
Sept - The Antigua-Charleston Hurricane, the most severe in Georgia and South Carolina in decades, ranked about as bad as the 1752 and 1893 hurricanes there. The storm was also noted to be one of the worst in the island of St. Kitts. This storm took a Hugo-like track apparently and was a powerhouse.

1851 - Present:

1852 Water Rat:
Aug - The Great Mobile Hurricane of 1852, estimated to be Cat 3, struck the Alabama/Mississippi coast during Aug 25-26, bringing a 12-foot storm surge and downing trees up to 30 miles inland.
1864 Wood Rat: none
1876 Fire Rat:
Sep - San Felipe the 1st in Puerto Rico, struck as Cat 3 and caused serious damage.
Oct - Cuba/Florida Hurricane, struck FL as Cat 2 or cat 3.
1888 Earth Rat:
Aug - Florida-Louisiana Hurricane, Major Hurricane strike in what would be present-day Miami.
Sept - Hurricane San Gil kills 900+ during its east-west trek across the Caribbean islands into the Yucatan.
1900 Metal Rat:
Sept - Great Galveston Hurricane, Cat 4, struck on Sept 8th and still remains the deadliest hurricane in American history. 8,000+ deaths, mainly due to storm surge.
1912 Water Rat:
Nov - Major late-season Hurricane strike in Jamaica, Cat 3 or Cat 4, causes severe damage.
1924 Wood Rat:
Oct - One of the first known Category 5 hurricanes, strikes Western Cuba during Oct 19-20.
1936 Fire Rat:
July - Cat 2 landfall in Florida Panhandle
Sept - Cat 2/3 struck NC's Outer Banks and passed just offshore VA, the storm caused major impacts on Hatteras and other parts of eastern NC/VA/MD.
1948 Earth Rat:
Sept - Powerful Cat 4 strike in South Florida, came from the south after hitting Cuba as a major too.
Oct - South FL struck again from the south by strong Cat 2, similar to Wilma in track and strength.
1960 Metal Rat:
Sept - Hurricane Donna strikes the Islands, then FL, then rides up the East Coast. Cat 4 strike in the Lesser Antilles and FL keys.
1972 Water Rat:
June - tricky because even though not a Cat 2, Hurricane Agnes caused widespread devastation in the US especially from flooding and tornadoes.
1984 Wood Rat:
Sept - Hurricane Diana, close-call Cat 4 off NC coast, came down to a Cat 2 before landfall.
1996 Fire Rat:
July - Hurricane Bertha strikes NC as Cat 2 and was a Cat 3 in the Atlantic unusually early in the season.
Sept - Hurricane Fran slams North Carolina again, as a Cat 3, and became one of the worst hurricanes on record in NC, causing severe widespread damage, even far inland.
2008 Earth Rat:
Aug - Hurricane Gustav strikes Cuba as a high-end Cat 4, causing major damage, then comes ashore Louisiana as a weakening Cat 2.
Sept - Hurricane Ike devastates Bahamas, Cuba and Texas during its week-long rampage. Hurricane Hanna kills hundreds in Haiti with massive flooding just a week later.
Nov - Cat 4 Hurricane Paloma strikes Cayman Islands region, and is among the strongest November hurricanes on record.

Significant Landfalling Hurricanes per Rat Year since 1851:
1852/1, 1864/0, 1876/2, 1888/2, 1900/1, 1912/1, 1924/1, 1936/2, 1948/2, 1960/1, 1972/1, 1984/1, 1996/2, 2008/3.
Average # of significant landfalling hurricanes per Rat Year: 1.43.
It's also noteworthy that some of the storms above featured multiple destructive landfalls. This tells us that we could expect 1 to 2 major landfallers this season, and if the season dishes out a greater number of named storms than most of these past seasons, because of the current busy era, the number of Cat 2+ landfallers and/or high impact storms will likely be closer to 3-4. Some of the hurricanes this season could also feature multiple landfalls.

Notice how certain areas like the Caribbean Islands, Florida, parts of the Gulf Coast and the Carolinas are frequent targets during these years. The Year of the Rat seems to favor more westward tracks and therefore more destructive paths. It is actually fairly rare for a Rat Year season to be inactive and uneventful, even the quieter years had their big ones.
The areas that appear to the in the bulls eye then, and possibly in 2020 are: Texas/Louisiana coast, Alabama-Panhandle of Florida, Peninsular Florida - especially South Florida, Bahamas/ Turks and Caicos, the Lesser & Greater Antilles from Cuba east to Hispaniola, PR, Virgin Islands, and last but not least - the Carolinas. The far southern Caribbean, Mid-Atlantic/ Northeast US, and Mexico/Central America seem to be luckier during these kinds of years.

I think all that you’ve read up to this point, adds some credence to a potentially dangerous 2020 season, if things like this were to be seriously considered. This is how I think 2020 could end up being, and considering my parameters 1 and 2, here goes my crazy experimental prediction:

2020 Atlantic Hurricane Season Prediction:

2020 ends up with 19 named storms, 9 of which become hurricanes, and 6 major hurricanes. We get a category 5 hurricane for the 5th straight year in a row against the odds, and it may strike land at peak intensity. Two to Three of the named storms in 2020 make landfall as Category 2 or stronger hurricanes, and the season is a very destructive one overall. One of the hurricanes this season will likely affect many Caribbean Islands as a major (kind of like Ike 2008, Donna 1960, or even GH 1780) and then either head for Florida/ curve up the East Coast (Donna track) or enter the Gulf Coast and strike land there (Ike track). A second major hurricane will probably emerge out of the Caribbean and strike Cuba, and then head north into Florida (kind of like 1948’s hurricanes or the 1924 Cuba Hurricane). These two storms will likely be the centerpieces of the season and probably happen sometime between August 25 and October 25.

Predictions By Month:
May-June: Early-season activity is likely, we could see two named storms, 1 of them a low-end hurricane, by June 30. Running total thru June 30… 2/1/0.
July: Early season hurricane, possibly major, appears likely. A good analog would be both Berthas from 1996 & 2008. Landfall is also possible, especially northern Caribbean Islands/ Bahamas and NC. Two named storms in July overall, including the possible early major. Running total thru July 31… 4/2/1.
August: There may be a lull in activity during the first half of Aug, and then a big one forms after 8/20. This storm could be one of the main hurricanes of 2020 and possibly last into early-mid September. A few analogs would be Donna 1960, Edouard 1996. Two other tropical storms could also form in Late August, bringing the Aug predicted total to 3, including the one strong hurricane above. Running total thru Aug 31… 7/3/2.
September: Wild and destructive month with 6 named storms, 3 hurricanes and 2 of them majors. A severe landfall (Cat 3-4 most likely) is quite possible this month, especially from the Islands into Florida, and then into the Gulf or Carolinas. One of the Sept landfalls may actually be one of the storms that forms in late August. Analogs include Donna 1960, Fran 1996 and Ike 2008. Running total thru Sept 30… 13/6/4.
October: The busy, destructive streak continues, and October may rival September both in activity and impacts. A major hurricane landfall is likely, especially along the Antilles, Cuba and then northward into Florida. Analogs are Oct 1780, Oct 1924, and Oct 1948. 5 named storms, 2 hurricanes, and 1 of them major and possibly Cat 5. Running total thru Oct 31… 18/8/5.
November: 1 named storm, which also becomes a hurricane and then a major hurricane. This one could be a surprise landfall too, especially in the Western Caribbean. Final total thru Nov 30 … 19/9/6.

2020 could be a very risky and dangerous year. Possible analog years (impact-wise) to be considered for this year, in addition to the existing ones being mentioned by the experts, could be the Metal Rat years of 1780, 1900 and 1960. Given the current active era we're in, 2020 will likely have a higher number of storms than either 1960 or 1900, and there could still be one or two blockbuster landfalls. In the most likely outcome, according to this oddball method, 2020 could have a blended outcome of 1996 and 2008, and in the worst-case scenario, it could be similar to 1780, which was like 2017 on crack. Hopefully this season could instead be a best-case scenario, which would reasonably be similar to 1984 which was busy but had few significant landfalls. The last thing we need is a devastating hurricane season coupled with the Coronavirus pandemic going on. However, I would cautiously advise y'all to be more wary of the tropics this year than usual, just in case 2020 ends up being a beast.

Alright guys, all that which you've read is just my 2 cents, so please take all of the above with a grain of salt. I must say, however, all of this does give some reason to watch the tropics a little closer this year just in case. This thread is experimental and probably geared more towards amusement rather than serious predictions, this is my disclaimer. The future conditions of the Atlantic, i.e. the SST's, ENSO, Teleconnections, MDR favorability, SAL and other meteorological indicators/factors will have the ultimate say in how the season goes, and these factors could change as we head into the peak of hurricane season.

Well, let’s see how 2020 evolves over the next several months, it might be an interesting and wild ride!

Feel free to ask me questions or write whatever you wish here! We can track 2020 here too, and I’ll
try to keep this thread alive by posting updates, other experimental takes, visuals, and such whenever possible!

-FR :wink:
4/24/2020
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Re: Oddball 2020 Hurricane Season Outlook Using the Chinese Zodiac

#2 Postby Chris90 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:38 am

This is a really interesting idea that I know you've been mentioning in the other thread about big ones for this year. Hey, there might be something to it, I do also enjoy astrology and mystical/spiritual things. I guess we'll see how this year unfolds and how your prediction using the Chinese zodiac performs compared to what actual numbers occur.

The mention of the Great Hurricane of 1780, also known as Huracán San Calixto interests me because that storm and the little bit of info about it are fascinating. It sounds like it was comparable to what Andrew did wind-wise in South Florida, with possible/probable multiple tornado-scale vortices embedded in the eyewall. A British Admiral reported that the heavy cannons from ground fortifications were carried 100 feet aloft by the winds, and it's reported that most if not all the trees on Barbados were brought down, and many had bark stripped from them. Apparently the roar of the wind was deafening and people couldn't even hear their own voices. An earthquake was also reportedly felt, but I have to wonder if people mistook the buildings vibrating/shaking from the sheer power of the wind as an earthquake. It's theorized by some meteorologists that the damage that was produced on Barbados would take wind velocities of 175kts+. Part of what made the death toll so large though was the fact that the American Revolution was occurring at the time, and the British Fleet incurred heavy losses. It was a deadly hurricane besides that, but it did help to inflate the numbers.

Hopefully we don't see anything like that this year. I think we've had enough Cat 5 hurricanes hitting islands recently with Irma, Maria, and Dorian.

Interestingly though, the numbers you've posted are close to what I already had for my preliminary numbers. I think I started with 19/11/6. I'm still hovering around that.
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Re: Oddball 2020 Hurricane Season Outlook Using the Chinese Zodiac

#3 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:09 am

Based on the analogs listed (1851–present), the following possibilities are envisioned, given clusters:

*Cat-2/-3 between Oak Island and Swansboro, NC
*Cat-3/-4 between Naples and Miami Beach, FL (Keys included)
*Cat-2/-3 between Houma, LA, and Mobile, AL
*Cat-3/-4 between Port Isabel and Bolivar Peninsula, TX
*Cat-4/-5 in western Cuba (Pinar del Río to Mayabeque)
*Cat-3/-4 in the Turks and Caicos Islands
*Cat-3/-4 in the Leeward Islands and/or Puerto Rico
*Cat-1/-2 offshore of Cape Cod, MA, and/or in Nova Scotia
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#4 Postby FireRat » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:55 am

I'm glad to know you like astrology/ mystical things as well Chris90! :)
Thanks for your input, glad to hear you find this thread interesting and that we're on the same page with our outlooks! That is also quite interesting, we can smell a big season coming!

It will be interesting indeed to see how my predictions go with the 2020 season. That 1780 hurricane San Calixto was such a beast, can you imagine the kind of strength it took to make those cannons go airborne and unleash the kind of devastation seen in Barbados, what a fascinating and terrifying hurricane that was! I can imagine it being like Andrew on steroids but with the size and look of Irma, the perfect monster...and to think it came in October! Hopefully we don't see another devastator like you say my friend, the islands need a break, a storm like that would be hellish.

Shellmound, thanks for the list of possibilities! :)
I think they illustrate well where the past Year of the Rat hurricanes made their greatest impacts! Speaking of illustrate, I'm thinking of adding a map sometime soon showing where these particular storms tracked and struck land and help illustrate the clusters.

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Edit on August 26, 2020
I figured I'd post the following images from Late April from the next page here, so we could have them in the 1st page of the thread as well for consistency... these are the accompanying images I made for the 2020 season predictions, which shed light on where we could see the big storms this year:

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#5 Postby DioBrando » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:28 pm

I love this thread and your correlations with the chinese zodiac! Very unique take on hurricane season forecasts! Hang on, I'm gonna put my full input here, gimme a sec.
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#6 Postby DioBrando » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:32 pm

"Early season hurricane, possibly major, appears likely. A good analog would be both Berthas from 1996 & 2008."

Imagine if one of the June predicted storms fails to form, and that early season hurricane is named bertha

To add:
1) Imagine if that August major hurricane is literally a repeat of edouard (1996), path and everything
2) your username is also inspired by the chinese zodiac, right?
3) you need to make this idea more well-known, I'm loving it and I'm gonna follow this thread
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#7 Postby FireRat » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:42 pm

Thanks DioBrando! :D
Glad to hear you like this thread! I've been thinking of writing it for some time now.
Wow, cam you imagine if Bertha pulls it off for a 3rd time! Haha that would be amazing, and it is possible! I think that if one or both the May-June storms don't form, things will play catch-up from July onwards and we'll probably still get to 19/9/6.
We'll see if Bertha finds that sweet spot! :lol:
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#8 Postby DioBrando » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:44 pm

FireRat wrote:Thanks DioBrando! :D
Glad to hear you like this thread! I've been thinking of writing it for some time now.
Wow, cam you imagine if Bertha pulls it off for a 3rd time! Haha that would be amazing, and it is possible! I think that if one or both the May-June storms don't form, things will play catch-up from July onwards and we'll probably still get to 19/9/6.
We'll see if Bertha finds that sweet spot! :lol:

IDEK but it's just TINGLING at the back of my head that bertha would become a significant one

The names that I have (just based on premonitions) are: bertha, edouard, gonzalo, isaias, marco, omar
Those names are what I have as "majors" at the moment but of course all is subject to change

I don't know, but I just KNEW dorian, humberto and lorenzo were going to be big boys last year, something just niggled at the back of my head thinking it would be those two, just the placements of the names, the intervals and all... but of course that was coincidental

IDK but I went with a similar prediction like you, wanna hear?
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#9 Postby FireRat » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Of course, I would love to hear your take on 2020!
I think we're on the same page with the names too, I was also considering Isaias, Marco, and Omar sounds like a big one too. Also would add Hanna and Laura as the big gals of 2020.

Dude yeah, Edouard would be in that timeframe too, would not be too surprised if he does what he did back in '96!

You're right about my username being inspired by the Chinese Zodiac! Its a bit of a funny story because growing up I had this Maltese dog who was born in 1996, and the 'Fire Rat' fit him perfectly because one day he chewed up my Nintendo 64 controllers and my dad's computer cables like a rat would, almost causing a fire! :lol:
So I used this nickname for him and also my username to always remember him by!
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#10 Postby DioBrando » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:26 pm

FireRat wrote:Of course, I would love to hear your take on 2020!
I think we're on the same page with the names too, I was also considering Isaias, Marco, and Omar sounds like a big one too. Also would add Hanna and Laura as the big gals of 2020.

Dude yeah, Edouard would be in that timeframe too, would not be too surprised if he does what he did back in '96!

You're right about my username being inspired by the Chinese Zodiac! Its a bit of a funny story because growing up I had this Maltese dog who was born in 1996, and the 'Fire Rat' fit him perfectly because one day he chewed up my Nintendo 64 controllers and my dad's computer cables like a rat would, almost causing a fire! :lol:
So I used this nickname for him and also my username to always remember him by!

Nice! I love how creative you are, and the fact you can find patterns in everything!
I was also born in 1996 so I can't remember anything from that year.... :lol: apart from the album Pinkerton being released...
I have no idea, but I just honestly thought the "wackier" names stuck out to me, especially the male ones (which are, as a whole, wackier than the females this year) so that's why I picked them, with Bertha being the sole "bad woman" of the lot... especially considering many of the notable storms of the past few years have had "wacky" names... especially from 2014 onward....
What other cool correlations do you study, hurricane-wise, apart from the chinese new year?

IDK but the weird thing about edouard is that when I showed someone this image, they legit thought it was irma... but I read up about this system and he wasn't that badly behaved:
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reckon your august analog would be well-behaved like the storm above or not?
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#11 Postby FireRat » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:45 pm

Hahaha thanks man!!
So you're a 'Fire Rat' yourself, that's awesome!! 8-)

I think there's more to the names too, it gives the storm a personality in a way, and they do unique things! The wacky names really do seem to be memorable ones, lets see if this year's wacky ones become the big ones. As for Edouard '96, he was fairly well behaved other than being a massive swell maker along the coasts from FL to the northeast. He was quite a showoff though haha!!

As for any other patterns that I look at, there is this other experiment of mine which involves the use of Numerology. This is another very amusing topic, which basically looks at all the year's dates and uses numerology to find certain numbers in the dates.
The big takeaway for me has been that dates that add up to 11 or 25, and also contain these numbers, can be huge landfall dates.
Just a few examples:
9/6/2017 - Irma rakes the Leeward Islands/ Virgin Islands
9+6+2+0+1+7 = 25.
8/25/2017 - Harvey makes landfall in Texas
8+2+5+2+0+1+7 = 25. This date was also the 25th.
9/2/1935 - Labor Day Hurricane strikes the FL Keys
9+2+1+9+3+5 = 29 which according to Numerology, reduces to 2+9 = 11. Also, Sept 2nd, 9/2, adds up to 11.

The other big numerology patterns involves dates that, contain and add up to multiples of 1,7,8,9 or the numbers 7,8,9, and also days that add to 13 or 22.
Basically in a nutshell, any dates having a strong presence of the numbers 1,7 8,9,11,13,22 and 25 are likelier to have hurricane landfalls, and other natural disaster types for that matter. These are roughly 25 percent of the world's given dates, but seem to bring more than half of the world's major natural events/disasters.
Its a lot to talk about, but this too, may deserve lots of coverage. I'm even shyer to talk about this topic lol, but it feels good to come out of the shell regarding the Chinese Zodiac! :lol:

Thanks for asking man!
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#12 Postby DioBrando » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:08 pm

FireRat wrote:Hahaha thanks man!!
So you're a 'Fire Rat' yourself, that's awesome!! 8-)

I think there's more to the names too, it gives the storm a personality in a way, and they do unique things! The wacky names really do seem to be memorable ones, lets see if this year's wacky ones become the big ones. As for Edouard '96, he was fairly well behaved other than being a massive swell maker along the coasts from FL to the northeast. He was quite a showoff though haha!!

As for any other patterns that I look at, there is this other experiment of mine which involves the use of Numerology. This is another very amusing topic, which basically looks at all the year's dates and uses numerology to find certain numbers in the dates.
The big takeaway for me has been that dates that add up to 11 or 25, and also contain these numbers, can be huge landfall dates.
Just a few examples:
9/6/2017 - Irma rakes the Leeward Islands/ Virgin Islands
9+6+2+0+1+7 = 25.
8/25/2017 - Harvey makes landfall in Texas
8+2+5+2+0+1+7 = 25. This date was also the 25th.
9/2/1935 - Labor Day Hurricane strikes the FL Keys
9+2+1+9+3+5 = 29 which according to Numerology, reduces to 2+9 = 11. Also, Sept 2nd, 9/2, adds up to 11.

The other big numerology patterns involves dates that, contain and add up to multiples of 1,7,8,9 or the numbers 7,8,9, and also days that add to 13 or 22.
Basically in a nutshell, any dates having a strong presence of the numbers 1,7 8,9,11,13,22 and 25 are likelier to have hurricane landfalls, and other natural disaster types for that matter. These are roughly 25 percent of the world's given dates, but seem to bring more than half of the world's major natural events/disasters.
Its a lot to talk about, but this too, may deserve lots of coverage. I'm even shyer to talk about this topic lol, but it feels good to come out of the shell regarding the Chinese Zodiac! :lol:

Thanks for asking man!

No problem my dude! And PLEASE... YOU GOTTA MAKE THIS MORE WELL-KNOWN. Who knows, you will get a heckload of references in papers/news coverages?

Numerology... I can see where you're coming from! I'm wondering what might come from 2020... X/X/2020... X+X+2+2.... Hmm......

And yes I am indeed a Fire Rat... I'm just wondering when the next FR year would come too... Ahaha. Are you a fire rat too? We can be fire rats together...

So in other words... Edouard was either a prankster or was plain clumsy... despite being excitable I guess. Maybe if he didn't come too close towards the shore...

Strangely he has the same damage/death stats as humberto from last year...
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#13 Postby gigabite » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:44 pm

I like your presentation. The existence of 12 year cycles in nature are quite prevalent if you accept some round off. The reach of the moon, the sun spot cycle, and the orbit of Jupiter all fall into the catagory.
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#14 Postby FireRat » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:49 am

Thanks gigabite! That is very interesting indeed, I remember hearing about the sun spot cycles being roughly every 11.5 to 12 years, it does seem like these things line up with the Chinese zodiac which was also created based on lunar and solar cycles.

DioBrando! I've thought about it, I've posted about these kinds of things in a few spirituality forums and also plan to make YouTube videos regarding some of this astrology/numerology and currently make experimental predictions on there too! It would be really cool if this became better known, just not sure if it would be widely accepted by the mainstream scientific community, lol. For now, having this thread here in S2K and sharing this stuff with you guys is a huge step for me!

You know, its funny that you ask if I'm a Fire Rat too, because even though I wasn't born in '96, my year 1987 is the "Fire Rabbit", and that does kind of make me part of the same family (rodent). My folks have also called me 'Mouse' or 'Rat' growing up, and these are still my nicknames within my family circle. :lol:
So yeah dude, we can be Fire Rodents!! :grrr:
btw, the next FR year is all the way in 2056.

Edouard '96 flexed his muscles for over a week in a display of power, and I remember how he for a time scared the east coast, so yeah I think he was a prankster!

As for the Numerology, there are some dates of interest that I can think of this year, past and present. After doing a run-through of the next several months, there aren't any significant links to 1,7,8,9, 13 or 25 in numerology sums, but instead there is a strong sum link to 11 and 22.
The last eventful date with a significant link to this number wizardy was 4/12/2020 the day of the Easter tornado outbreak in the Southern US, that day summed up to 11... 4+1+2+2+0+2+0 = 11.
In the future months, this sum to 11 could be one of the main things to look for, both in mm/dd/yy and mm/dd/yyyy formats.
These are some example dates I can think of for the peak of this hurricane season, just for fun...
In mm/dd/yyyy format:
9/25/2020 = 9+2+5+2+0+2+0 = 20 = 2+0 = 2, but if added as 9+25+2020 = 2054 = 2+0+5+4 = 11. that day has a "hidden 11", and the 25 is present in the day # as a bonus. So there's an 11/25 combo here.
The same hidden 11 exists on Sept 7 and Sept 16 (9+7+2020 = 2036 = 2+0+3+6 = 11, and 9+16+2020 = 2045 = 2+0+4+5 = 11).
9/16 also has a hidden 25, 9+16 = 25. That day has both a hidden 11 and hidden 25. This is not as significant however, as if the numbers were found in the normal way of adding in numerology. The next set of dates may be even more important because of this...
10/6/2020 adds up perfectly to '11', 1+0+6+2+0+2+0 = 11. The same is true for Oct 15 and Oct 24 of this year. These sums are on the same league as the 4/12/2020 example earlier.
In mm/dd/yy format:
9/9/20 has a hidden 11 ... 9+9+20 = 38, which then reduces to 3+8 = 11. In numerology, they have a rule where the number 11 is called a 'master number'. and it can't be reduced further (so no 11 = 1+1 = 2). The same goes for the # 22, 33 and other repdigits. It does sound a bit weird, but this practice is about as old as Chinese Astrology, so I'm sure there's something to it.
We might also want to look for the dates that add to 22...
Due to the 'rule' above, the date of 9/11/20 yields 22 ... 9+11+2+0 = 22, and notably the day # is 11. So there's an 11/22 combo here.
In October, the dates of 10/8/20, 10/17/20 and 10/26/20 add up to 11 perfectly as well.
There is so much information regarding Numerology, this is just the tip of the iceberg. It can make some people's heads spin!
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Re: Oddball 2020 Hurricane Season Outlook Using the Chinese Zodiac

#15 Postby Chris90 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:50 am

Speaking of solar cycles and the hurricane season, there is some research out there about it, just not extensive from what I've found. I do think a member here mentioned some time last year about an upcoming "Grand Solar Minimum" and how it could potentially increase activity. It might also be a solar maximum, I can't remember exactly. I read one article about it and I didn't quite follow everything. I feel like it was a minimum because it was something about decreased sun spot activity, so therefore solar radiation increased or something. I know, I'm not being very definite, but there is some research out there if anyone was interested in learning more.

Numerology could be an interesting way of looking at the upcoming season, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I've never looked much into it, but I'm fairly certain that I'm Life Path 1 according to it. I guess it's also kind of fun that my first name comes to 11 letters, and if you add my middle and last name to it to get my full name the grand total comes to 22. So it's like a 22 with an embedded/hidden 11?

When it comes to other non-conventional ways of predicting a season, I have considered doing a pendulum dowsing before to try to pull some seasonal numbers, but I never actually have. I've always decided to stick with science and what the experts are saying, plus gut feeling to make my seasonal predictions. Maybe I'll try it this year and post the numbers here for fun.
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#16 Postby FireRat » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:15 am

Hey Chris90! Awesome input, yeah we're supposedly entering a Solar Minimum this year! Life path 1, nice! good strong number! I'm a Life Path 11 myself and my birth year adds to 25, maybe that's why I seem to encounter these numbers so much hahaha. :lol:

Numerology is pretty cool alongside astrology, although I do think it may be more abstract and not as telling as Chinese Astrology regarding the Hurricane Season's outlook. Numerology however, may be good for finding/ picking out some possible key dates in a year.

It definitely is best to stick with science and what the experts are predicting, it's actually this that, in part, compelled me to make this thread, because I couldn't believe how perfectly aligned most of their seasonal predictions were with what the Chinese Zodiac was indicating for this year!

It would be fun to see what numbers you can find for the season with your Pendulum dowsing experiment!! :D
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#17 Postby DioBrando » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:32 am

FireRat wrote:Thanks gigabite! That is very interesting indeed, I remember hearing about the sun spot cycles being roughly every 11.5 to 12 years, it does seem like these things line up with the Chinese zodiac which was also created based on lunar and solar cycles.

DioBrando! I've thought about it, I've posted about these kinds of things in a few spirituality forums and also plan to make YouTube videos regarding some of this astrology/numerology and currently make experimental predictions on there too! It would be really cool if this became better known, just not sure if it would be widely accepted by the mainstream scientific community, lol. For now, having this thread here in S2K and sharing this stuff with you guys is a huge step for me!

You know, its funny that you ask if I'm a Fire Rat too, because even though I wasn't born in '96, my year 1987 is the "Fire Rabbit", and that does kind of make me part of the same family (rodent). My folks have also called me 'Mouse' or 'Rat' growing up, and these are still my nicknames within my family circle. :lol:
So yeah dude, we can be Fire Rodents!! :grrr:
btw, the next FR year is all the way in 2056.

Edouard '96 flexed his muscles for over a week in a display of power, and I remember how he for a time scared the east coast, so yeah I think he was a prankster!

As for the Numerology, there are some dates of interest that I can think of this year, past and present. After doing a run-through of the next several months, there aren't any significant links to 1,7,8,9, 13 or 25 in numerology sums, but instead there is a strong sum link to 11 and 22.
The last eventful date with a significant link to this number wizardy was 4/12/2020 the day of the Easter tornado outbreak in the Southern US, that day summed up to 11... 4+1+2+2+0+2+0 = 11.
In the future months, this sum to 11 could be one of the main things to look for, both in mm/dd/yy and mm/dd/yyyy formats.
These are some example dates I can think of for the peak of this hurricane season, just for fun...
In mm/dd/yyyy format:
9/25/2020 = 9+2+5+2+0+2+0 = 20 = 2+0 = 2, but if added as 9+25+2020 = 2054 = 2+0+5+4 = 11. that day has a "hidden 11", and the 25 is present in the day # as a bonus. So there's an 11/25 combo here.
The same hidden 11 exists on Sept 7 and Sept 16 (9+7+2020 = 2036 = 2+0+3+6 = 11, and 9+16+2020 = 2045 = 2+0+4+5 = 11).
9/16 also has a hidden 25, 9+16 = 25. That day has both a hidden 11 and hidden 25. This is not as significant however, as if the numbers were found in the normal way of adding in numerology. The next set of dates may be even more important because of this...
10/6/2020 adds up perfectly to '11', 1+0+6+2+0+2+0 = 11. The same is true for Oct 15 and Oct 24 of this year. These sums are on the same league as the 4/12/2020 example earlier.
In mm/dd/yy format:
9/9/20 has a hidden 11 ... 9+9+20 = 38, which then reduces to 3+8 = 11. In numerology, they have a rule where the number 11 is called a 'master number'. and it can't be reduced further (so no 11 = 1+1 = 2). The same goes for the # 22, 33 and other repdigits. It does sound a bit weird, but this practice is about as old as Chinese Astrology, so I'm sure there's something to it.
We might also want to look for the dates that add to 22...
Due to the 'rule' above, the date of 9/11/20 yields 22 ... 9+11+2+0 = 22, and notably the day # is 11. So there's an 11/22 combo here.
In October, the dates of 10/8/20, 10/17/20 and 10/26/20 add up to 11 perfectly as well.
There is so much information regarding Numerology, this is just the tip of the iceberg. It can make some people's heads spin!

Please make a YouTube and talk about it if you can! Maybe make a TikTok explaining this stuff to get the younger generation on board (as they're very curious-minded?) It's up to you though!
I don't know but this morning I did indeed think about the 25th of September 2020 sounding freaky...
Yes at least we're in the same family, right? I might as well change my avatar in fact... Hmm... I wonder why they called you rat... did you like Tom and Jerry or somethin'? (No matter our generation, we all love that cartoon)
No matter how much edouard was a prankster, he still looked amazing on camera! So much for that hard-worked dunkin' donut physique! Not to add, such a compact tiny storm added to loads of ACE. I wonder how much exactly?
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#18 Postby FireRat » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:22 pm

Dunkin Donut Physique :lol:
bro, you just made me wanna get some donuts this Saturday afternoon! Yes indeed Edouard was a hell of a donut! I think he was actually a bit larger than we think too!

Thanks for the YT suggestion, I do have a little channel on there and will probably add some stuff in the months ahead. Will let you know thru PM if I do make something down the road!

That date 9/25/2020 does seem ominous, and it would be around the right time for an Islands-Cuba hurricane or even FL. Of course time will tell my friend! It will be fun to watch how things have progressed by that point. Another similar date to that one, but perhaps too late in the season is 11/25/2020. that one adds to 13 or 22, and also has a hidden '11' in it. Trascending the ATL, maybe that one could be a typhoon date, who knows.

My folks called me mouse because I had mousey ears and because of my love for cheese pizza as a kid! Later I became known as rat well, because I grew up. :lol:
And yeah Tom and Jerry was one of my favorites!
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#19 Postby DioBrando » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:41 pm

FireRat wrote:Dunkin Donut Physique :lol:
bro, you just made me wanna get some donuts this Saturday afternoon! Yes indeed Edouard was a hell of a donut! I think he was actually a bit larger than we think too!

Thanks for the YT suggestion, I do have a little channel on there and will probably add some stuff in the months ahead. Will let you know thru PM if I do make something down the road!

That date 9/25/2020 does seem ominous, and it would be around the right time for an Islands-Cuba hurricane or even FL. Of course time will tell my friend! It will be fun to watch how things have progressed by that point. Another similar date to that one, but perhaps too late in the season is 11/25/2020. that one adds to 13 or 22, and also has a hidden '11' in it. Trascending the ATL, maybe that one could be a typhoon date, who knows.

My folks called me mouse because I had mousey ears and because of my love for cheese pizza as a kid! Later I became known as rat well, because I grew up. :lol:
And yeah Tom and Jerry was one of my favorites!

Hmmm, you should! Have you baked your own donuts at home, by any chance? I think we're all getting hangry for donuts... aha

By larger do you mean by strength or size in general?

Come to think of it, in 2014 he looked like a pretty chungular donut here:

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Thank you so much, please do keep me informed!

That's true... I'm wondering if there are dates in July or August that are like that..... And yeah I do agree that does seem p late for the Atlantic... but again we had Otto... who knows?

Same! Jerry was indeed sailing the seas of cheese!
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#20 Postby FireRat » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:36 pm

Possibly both regarding Ed '96, he was not tiny but instead more medium-sized and perhaps was stronger than his estimated 933 mb/ 145 mph.
I've never baked donuts lol! Maybe they should make 'hurricane themed' donuts at Dunkin, can you imagine!
I'll keep an eye on July/August dates that fit a numerology pattern of note!
Meanwhile check out this graphic I just finished making, illustrating the tracks of all the big landfalling hurricanes of the Years of the Rat past! ...
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