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Liberals vs. Conservatives

#1 Postby sunnyday » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:09 am

Why do the Liberals and Conservatives have so much animosity toward each other? I've never seen the like in my life.
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#2 Postby wx247 » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:33 am

I don't hold animosity toward the other side. I see myself as a moderate, but I despise those on both side that are so blinded by their views that they can't see others.
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#3 Postby Stephanie » Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:59 pm

wx247 wrote:I don't hold animosity toward the other side. I see myself as a moderate, but I despise those on both side that are so blinded by their views that they can't see others.


Good point!

Each side definately have valid viewpoints to be considered. I think that it is those that are in the extremes that help to create the animosity.
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#4 Postby Guest » Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:11 pm

I agree on the animosity of the sides - neither one is perfect and both have faults. My thoughts are instead of criticizing the other and constant bickering - work for a compromise and make things better.
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#5 Postby Stephanie » Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:13 pm

Exactly Ticka!

They could use this board's forum as a guide too! :D
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#6 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:15 pm

Agree ticka 100% with your statement.
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#7 Postby Lindaloo » Sun Oct 26, 2003 2:22 pm

ticka1 wrote:I agree on the animosity of the sides - neither one is perfect and both have faults. My thoughts are instead of criticizing the other and constant bickering - work for a compromise and make things better.



GREAT POST!! They were in agreement after Sept. 11th. Took a tragedy for this to happen. Why can't they do this without suffering?
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#8 Postby Rainband » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:49 pm

AMEN!!!!! :wink:
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#9 Postby stormchazer » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:59 pm

I'm conservative and believe it is the right side. I don't dislike Liberals, but I dislike their ideas that can have an effect on my country. I do think there is to much venom in polotics. I prefer to see the two groups argue with their ideas but often it is just mud slinging and personal attacks.
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#10 Postby JetMaxx » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:23 pm

sunnyday wrote:Why do the Liberals and Conservatives have so much animosity toward each other? I've never seen the like in my life.


It depends....I'm very conservative...and have been since childhood, but don't automatically judge someone as bad or evil just because they are a liberal. I have friends that are liberal. My oldest sister was quite liberal politically as we grew up. Only after college and marriage did she change her stance on many issues (she was pro-choice until age 26)...and I loved her just as much at age 15 as I do today.

I only have a problem with liberals who see their own agenda as the only way...and try to ram their view of issues down my throat. For example, I have always been opposed to abortion. I'm not some right wing wacko (i.e.-have never protested abortion clinics), but in my conscience, believe it is cold blooded murder of the innocent. If you are pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean we won't get along. Only if you try to force your belief that abortion is "a mother's choice" down my throat OR belittle me because of my pro-life beliefs will I become angry -- BECAUSE I would never do that to anyone.

Unfortunately, there are some liberals out there that are so obnoxious and "elitist" that no conservative could ever get along with them or be friends. Why? It's virtually impossible to be friends with anyone that believes they are better than you; or that you are inferior to them (or anyone who regards all conservatives as their enemy).
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Re: Liberals vs. Conservatives

#11 Postby wx247 » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:37 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
sunnyday wrote:Why do the Liberals and Conservatives have so much animosity toward each other? I've never seen the like in my life.


It depends....I'm very conservative...and have been since childhood, but don't automatically judge someone as bad or evil just because they are a liberal. I have friends that are liberal. My oldest sister was quite liberal politically as we grew up. Only after college and marriage did she change her stance on many issues (she was pro-choice until age 26)...and I loved her just as much at age 15 as I do today.

I only have a problem with liberals who see their own agenda as the only way...and try to ram their view of issues down my throat. For example, I have always been opposed to abortion. I'm not some right wing wacko (i.e.-have never protested abortion clinics), but in my conscience, believe it is cold blooded murder of the innocent. If you are pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean we won't get along. Only if you try to force your belief that abortion is "a mother's choice" down my throat OR belittle me because of my pro-life beliefs will I become angry -- BECAUSE I would never do that to anyone.

Unfortunately, there are some liberals out there that are so obnoxious and "elitist" that no conservative could ever get along with them or be friends. Why? It's virtually impossible to be friends with anyone that believes they are better than you; or that you are inferior to them (or anyone who regards all conservatives as their enemy).


I agree Perry 110%. You can also flip everything you said and I feel the same way, too.
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#12 Postby Rainband » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:38 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
sunnyday wrote:Why do the Liberals and Conservatives have so much animosity toward each other? I've never seen the like in my life.


It depends....I'm very conservative...and have been since childhood, but don't automatically judge someone as bad or evil just because they are a liberal. I have friends that are liberal. My oldest sister was quite liberal politically as we grew up. Only after college and marriage did she change her stance on many issues (she was pro-choice until age 26)...and I loved her just as much at age 15 as I do today.

I only have a problem with liberals who see their own agenda as the only way...and try to ram their view of issues down my throat. For example, I have always been opposed to abortion. I'm not some right wing wacko (i.e.-have never protested abortion clinics), but in my conscience, believe it is cold blooded murder of the innocent. If you are pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean we won't get along. Only if you try to force your belief that abortion is "a mother's choice" down my throat OR belittle me because of my pro-life beliefs will I become angry -- BECAUSE I would never do that to anyone.

Unfortunately, there are some liberals out there that are so obnoxious and "elitist" that no conservative could ever get along with them or be friends. Why? It's virtually impossible to be friends with anyone that believes they are better than you; or that you are inferior to them (or anyone who regards all conservatives as their enemy).
I agree..I think there is good and bad in all people and party lines. Stereotypical people are the ones I disagree with.. The ones that say all Liberals or conservatives are bad. Everyone is an individual and just because I am not republican doesn't make me democratic. I like ideas from both sides and sometimes none from either. I think..as I said before..this country is a world..superpower..The world superpower and if we can't even get along in our own political structure..what kind of example does that send to the world community :roll: :roll:
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#13 Postby Toni - 574 » Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:35 pm

ticka1 wrote:I agree on the animosity of the sides - neither one is perfect and both have faults. My thoughts are instead of criticizing the other and constant bickering - work for a compromise and make things better.


I have to say that I agree with your thoughts Ticka, we all have our faults and different ways of thinking. That does not mean that one view is totally right or totally wrong. Being different is what makes the world go round. If we all thought the same way I think it might get pretty boring at times.

I don't like to be labeled, but since we can't get around it most of the time I guess I would have to say that I have a moderate to conservative point of view. Compromise is the key,and it is possible to work out differences and not compromise your beliefs.
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Re: Liberals vs. Conservatives

#14 Postby Stephanie » Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:51 pm

JetMaxx wrote:
sunnyday wrote:Why do the Liberals and Conservatives have so much animosity toward each other? I've never seen the like in my life.


It depends....I'm very conservative...and have been since childhood, but don't automatically judge someone as bad or evil just because they are a liberal. I have friends that are liberal. My oldest sister was quite liberal politically as we grew up. Only after college and marriage did she change her stance on many issues (she was pro-choice until age 26)...and I loved her just as much at age 15 as I do today.

I only have a problem with liberals who see their own agenda as the only way...and try to ram their view of issues down my throat. For example, I have always been opposed to abortion. I'm not some right wing wacko (i.e.-have never protested abortion clinics), but in my conscience, believe it is cold blooded murder of the innocent. If you are pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean we won't get along. Only if you try to force your belief that abortion is "a mother's choice" down my throat OR belittle me because of my pro-life beliefs will I become angry -- BECAUSE I would never do that to anyone.

Unfortunately, there are some liberals out there that are so obnoxious and "elitist" that no conservative could ever get along with them or be friends. Why? It's virtually impossible to be friends with anyone that believes they are better than you; or that you are inferior to them (or anyone who regards all conservatives as their enemy).


The thing is, alot of liberal minded people think the same way about some conservative minded people - they're unpatriotic for disagreeing with the President, etc. To be fair, I'd say BOTH sides are equally guilty as to labeling the other side as "elitist", "obnoxious", etc. I really think that those that can only use stereotypes to describe the other points of view, really have no interest in trying to work for the common good - they're out more for just themselves and a paycheck. They have their own agenda and to tell you the truth, I'm getting sick of hearing "the Republicans did this" or "the Democrats did that". I'm more interested in "what have you done for me lately" and what they really think about the issues at hand. We never really seem to get that information anymore.
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#15 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:28 pm

"What have you done for ME lately"? A plea for some omnipotent Government or agency thereof (who apparently "knows better than you or I how we should run our lives"?) to assist?

How about, "What can I do for MYSELF (and only when personal means and efforts have been exhausted, ask for help...but family and friends first, THEN local, THEN State and if not these, then and ONLY then Federal intervention)?"

This illustrates for all the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives, IMHO...and I'm an unabashed conservative.
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#16 Postby Rainband » Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:39 pm

streetsoldier wrote:"What have you done for ME lately"? A plea for some omnipotent Government or agency thereof (who apparently "knows better than you or I how we should run our lives"?) to assist?

How about, "What can I do for MYSELF (and only when personal means and efforts have been exhausted, ask for help...but family and friends first, THEN local, THEN State and if not these, then and ONLY then Federal intervention)?"

This illustrates for all the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives, IMHO...and I'm an unabashed conservative.
For the people by the people" Ring a bell :roll: :roll: We are Americans..if we need help..we have to go thrrough LLLots of RRRed tape..Yet we give everything away to other countries//Republican or democrat..tell ME that makes sense :eek:
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#17 Postby Toni - 574 » Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:49 pm

Sad but true Johnathan, you are correct! By the time you jump through all the political/govermental whoops you wonder if it was worth all the aggravation.
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#18 Postby coriolis » Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:17 am

The two sides are so polarized that I don't know if a middle ground can be found.

I tend towards conservative because nearly everything I have, I worked for. And I don't like people taking it away. I hate to ask people for anything. If I screw up, I'll take the blame, and face the consequences.

I know a family of people who won't do anything if they can get someone to do it for them. They constantly look for handouts and people to help them do what they could do if they wanted to. They don't take responsibility for thieir actions, they don't finish what they start, they don't plan ahead, and they blame others for all their problems. They vote democratic, because the democrats are for "helping people."

These are real people I know. I'm not making this up.
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#19 Postby ColdFront77 » Mon Oct 27, 2003 1:43 am

At least Republicans do understand that people need assistance, too.
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#20 Postby Toni - 574 » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:42 am

I have worked one day at a time to obtain all that I have (with the exception of a few inherited items) so I know what it means to work hard and not take things for granted. It's not an easy come easy go attitude with me, that you tend to hear from people that has a lot and what they do have, has been given to them(there is always that exception).
But on the other hand I think that some people are just so darn proud that they will not ask for help and their families end up suffering for it. Then you have people who knows how to work the system and milk it for all that it is worth.
In my line of work, I have the opportunity to act as an liaison for a lot of families that are in need of services. In this case you have legitimate problems that needs to be dealt with and agencies that you hope will come through for these people that so desperatly need assistance. This is where I get so angry, because I see this happening all the time when you have someone or a family that really needs the help and they have to jump through loop after loop or cannot qualify because they make $2.00 over, -vs- someone who is a pro at working the system, says all the right stuff, and walks out smelling like a rose.

We all have our difficult times, we have life changes, and we get through. I'm a single person now, and my family is grown. I've paid a lot of taxes over the years and if the need ever arises I expect to see a return (God forbid I ever need it).

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