ATL: CRISTOBAL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1141 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:10 am

NDG wrote:
wx98 wrote:Slight pressure rise:
10:00 AM CDT Sat Jun 6
Location: 24.2°N 90.1°W
Moving: N at 12 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
Max sustained: 50 mph


NHC notes the lacking appearance of a “classic tropical cyclone”


Interesting they now show a pressure rise without any commnunication from the AF recon on the second pass.


They can still talk to the plane and get direct data needed.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1142 Postby GCANE » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:11 am

NDG wrote:
GCANE wrote:
NDG wrote:
That picture is way wrong, TS force winds extend way farther than that, around 200 miles to the north & east of it.

https://i.imgur.com/AKef0q3.png



All estimates, except best track are below 100 nm.

https://i.imgur.com/eLikFII.gif


But the actual facts show that TS force winds extend further than that, pre-dawn this morning buoy 42001 was reporting TS force winds when Cristobal was around 200 miles away.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=42001



Pulled back a good 10 knots since then

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1143 Postby NDG » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:15 am

This is why windshear forecasts past 48-72 hrs are worthless.
Big difference in the windshear forecast now as Cristobal approaches the coast.

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1144 Postby GCANE » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:23 am

That CAPE ridge keeps working its way over to the butt of the comma.
Looks like its going to plug it.

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1145 Postby NDG » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:24 am

GCANE wrote:
NDG wrote:
GCANE wrote:

All estimates, except best track are below 100 nm.

https://i.imgur.com/eLikFII.gif


But the actual facts show that TS force winds extend further than that, pre-dawn this morning buoy 42001 was reporting TS force winds when Cristobal was around 200 miles away.

https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page. ... tion=42001



Pulled back a good 10 knots since then

https://i.imgur.com/1Xdu4mi.png


Yes, that's because of the nature of the broad CoC with not much pressure gradient close to the CoC as confirmed by the recon earlier.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1146 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:31 am

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1147 Postby gfsperpendicular » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:32 am

Cristobal's shape is interesting to look at, more like a spiral than a comma at this point.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1148 Postby aspen » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:36 am

GCANE wrote:That CAPE ridge keeps working its way over to the butt of the comma.
Looks like its going to plug it.

https://i.imgur.com/4JgIPxl.png

https://i.imgur.com/pd7zLwW.jpg

How does a duck stuck in a wall relate to this in any way? Lol
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1149 Postby Kazmit » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:39 am

Reminds me of Cindy 2017, although it still looks more tropical than that.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1150 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:40 am

gfsperpendicular wrote:Cristobal's shape is interesting to look at, more like a spiral than a comma at this point.
https://i.imgur.com/0l6NAKV.jpg


This is the dance between the dry and moist air... :P will Christobal follow the Yellow or Red Brick Road ?

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1151 Postby xironman » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:50 am

A bit of convection actually building neat the CoC, need to see if it persists.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1154 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:59 am

This storm still has a lot to go if it wants a build a solid core. But it still has very strong vorticity that's fairly stacked. It also became less elongated between 9-12z so that could be the start of it tightening up, we'll see. Anyways, the storm already looks better than Barry, but that's not saying much. :lol:
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1155 Postby Steve » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:18 am

TheProfessor wrote:This storm still has a lot to go if it wants a build a solid core. But it still has very strong vorticity that's fairly stacked. It also became less elongated between 9-12z so that could be the start of it tightening up, we'll see. Anyways, the storm already looks better than Barry, but that's not saying much. :lol:


Joe B said in his Saturday summary that optimal conditions are when it hits Arkansas. He also said that the EC product has high probability of 'Tropical' Storm in the Great Lakes.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1156 Postby NDG » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:21 am

Here's more of the recon flight data from earlier this morning, the pressure did rise during the morning.

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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1157 Postby crimi481 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:24 am

The overall structure is huge. The dry air stops the entire Gulf from filling in. Less destruction, a good thing
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1158 Postby cainjamin » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:28 am

Recon has shown that the core has become tighter over the past 3 passes. Wouldn't be surprised to see the pressure start dropping slowly again, especially if it can continue to fire convection near the center.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1159 Postby GCANE » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:33 am

aspen wrote:
GCANE wrote:That CAPE ridge keeps working its way over to the butt of the comma.
Looks like its going to plug it.

https://i.imgur.com/4JgIPxl.png

https://i.imgur.com/pd7zLwW.jpg

How does a duck stuck in a wall relate to this in any way? Lol


I thought it was a white goose.
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Re: ATL: CRISTOBAL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1160 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:36 am

Convection has weakened over the past 3-5 hours. Lots of dry air & shear to deal with. Very little low-level convergence, making it hard to develop a core. Not impossible, but hard.
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