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#861 Postby Shell Mound » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:16 am

TheAustinMan wrote:As it stands, right now tropical instability is higher than it has ever been in the last eight years for mid-June. I wouldn't obsess so much over the precise values since they can rise and fall pretty rapidly in a matter of days, but it gives us one indication of how favorable the region is to convection.

44 KB. Source: Made from a bunch of images online, but the data was originally from the Tropical Cyclone Formation Probability Product
https://i.imgur.com/LyttezW.png

Interestingly, the data indicate that instability in the MDR has been generally decreasing since 2013, 2017 excepted.
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#862 Postby NDG » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:50 am

USTropics wrote:Here are some experimental products I've been working on. These are precipitation rate anomalies (may forecast for JAS compared to June forecast for JAS). This is using plotly, jupyter, and some python code. Data files are from Copernicus data store in netcdf format:

NCEP May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/7KZuCoW.png
NCEP June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/kzk4LVO.png

ECMWF May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/ckpo1Zp.png
ECMWF June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/GxeP2gW.png

UKMET May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/LqVl4UN.png
UKMET June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/6tGFpcC.png

Meteo-France May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/HXYn5nh.png
Meteo-France June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/vEfusGu.png

DWD May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/LnZVFsk.png
DWD June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/aq1EPVI.png

CMC May forecast
https://i.imgur.com/tgf1Ts1.png
CMC June forecast
https://i.imgur.com/IBnJ9qm.png


Wow, the UKMET is about the only one that shows a wetter than average MDR.
ECMWF calls for a drought in Africa, lol :double:
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#863 Postby NDG » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:10 am

First major dust outbreak of the season, but models show not much progression to the west past the Windward Islands.

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#864 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:03 am

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#865 Postby SFLcane » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:20 am



Oh... that’s an eye opener for sure if in Florida. Enjoy these few weeks left many sleep less nights ahead on S2K. :( :wink:

No central Atlantic recurve :eek:
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#866 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:15 am

June JMA seasonal is out for JAS. It seems to show persistent rising motion over Africa and the Indian Ocean through September, with a strong sinking branch over the central Pacific and a weak sinking branch over the western Atlantic. The rising branch is a bit farther west than a typical La Niña pattern.

July
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August
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#868 Postby SFLcane » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:42 am

CyclonicFury wrote:June JMA seasonal is out for JAS. It seems to show persistent rising motion over Africa and the Indian Ocean through September, with a strong sinking branch over the central Pacific and a weak sinking branch over the western Atlantic. The rising branch is a bit farther west than a typical La Niña pattern.

July
https://i.imgur.com/XJeUQKa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

August
https://i.imgur.com/qIIkApF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

September
https://i.imgur.com/psNPf0J_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium


Hi Cyclonicfury, What do the sst’s looks like?
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#869 Postby OuterBanker » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:53 am




Rather ominous sign for eastern and western Florida, Coastal Carolina’s and Central America.
An active ITCZ, but curiously it seems to leave islands alone.
One other thing I don’t see is the escape route between 50 and 60 west, another ominous sign.
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#870 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:53 am

SFLcane wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:June JMA seasonal is out for JAS. It seems to show persistent rising motion over Africa and the Indian Ocean through September, with a strong sinking branch over the central Pacific and a weak sinking branch over the western Atlantic. The rising branch is a bit farther west than a typical La Niña pattern.

July
https://i.imgur.com/XJeUQKa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

August
https://i.imgur.com/qIIkApF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

September
https://i.imgur.com/psNPf0J_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium


Hi Cyclonicfury, What do the sst’s looks like?

July
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August
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September
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#871 Postby MJGarrison » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:01 pm

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Rather ominous sign for eastern and western Florida, Coastal Carolina’s and Central America.
An active ITCZ, but curiously it seems to leave islands alone.
One other thing I don’t see is the escape route between 50 and 60 west, another ominous sign.

Just wanted to point out that we are looking at an anomaly chart. Just because a place is not “wetter than usual” doesn’t mean it’s not plenty wet.


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#872 Postby gatorcane » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:17 pm

Good thing predicting steering this far out has low skill. We know large scale steering can hardly be accurately forecasted sometimes even just 5 days out. Most Cape Verde storms would recurve into the Central Atlantic just based on climatology.
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#873 Postby toad strangler » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:28 pm

gatorcane wrote:Good thing predicting steering this far out has low skill. We know large scale steering can hardly be accurately forecasted sometimes even just 5 days out. Most Cape Verde storms would recurve into the Central Atlantic just based on climatology.


Yep, and Ive been saying that generally almost once a week. Recurves away from W Atlantic continental terra firma is solid climatology. I'm not a believer in that precip anomaly map being a harbinger of future storm tracks.
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#874 Postby SFLcane » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:39 pm

toad strangler wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Good thing predicting steering this far out has low skill. We know large scale steering can hardly be accurately forecasted sometimes even just 5 days out. Most Cape Verde storms would recurve into the Central Atlantic just based on climatology.


Yep, and Ive been saying that generally almost once a week. Recurves away from W Atlantic continental terra firma is solid climatology. I'm not a believer in that precip anomaly map being a harbinger of future storm tracks.


I here yea..Those maps go well the euro which I might add is predicting a stronger then normal Bermuda high for ASO.
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#875 Postby TheAustinMan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:19 pm

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TheAustinMan wrote:Regarding the rapid change in tropical cyclone heat potential between June 5 and June 6, that seems to arise from a change in the way the depth of the 26C isotherm is calculated.

What made you suspect that is the case? Do you have a link to the evidence? I would certainly be interested in viewing it.


Tropical cyclone heat potential is calculated using an integration of sea surface temperatures over some depth, so as a first guess one or more of the input datasets (either the 26C isotherm depth, SSTs, or sea height anomalies) was the likely culprit in the sudden uptick in tropical cyclone heat potential.

I took a look at each of these, and the standout dataset was the 26C isotherm depth. Here are a few images of the 26C isotherm depth dataset in past times: 2009, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2017, 2019, and June 5 2020.

Compare these with the day after the TCHP suddenly changed, June 6, 2020. You'll notice that evidently something has changed in the way the data is presented/processed. The spatial resolution appears to have increased, and there's no longer a sharp cutoff between the tropics and the subtropics (based on the fact that this happened in 1 day, it's more likely this cutoff was an artifact of data processing rather than an actual physical phenomenon).
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#876 Postby toad strangler » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:44 pm

Better pray it's a normal climo re-curve season :eek:

 https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1272690681165774848


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#877 Postby toad strangler » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:53 pm

lol @ the Euro as a long range Atlantic Basin tropical model

 http://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1272693003128356872


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#878 Postby aspen » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:43 pm

toad strangler wrote:Better pray it's a normal climo re-curve season :eek:

https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1272690681165774848?s=20

La Niña/cool-neutral ENSO, abundant moisture forecast for the MDR, a +AMO developing, and now above-average precipitation in Africa. All of the conditions for significant MDR activity are falling into place. If this holds up, the Atlantic could have a shot at a total of 180-200 ACE or more for the season, due to long-tracking major hurricanes.
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#879 Postby Socalhurcnegirl227 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:55 pm

toad strangler wrote:Better pray it's a normal climo re-curve season :eek:

https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1272690681165774848?s=20

So clearly this could slow down SAL, i know theres one currently or about to happen, but looking at this tells me SAL isnt going to be a huge issue correct me if im wrong?
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#880 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:21 pm

toad strangler wrote:Better pray it's a normal climo re-curve season :eek:

https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1272690681165774848?s=20

I thought the normal was for recurving storms? :wink:
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