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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#361 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:10 am

Bocadude85 wrote:Perhaps the best bet is a 40-50kts landfall on Maui or Oahu? A compromise between the stronger operational globals and the ensembles.

Yeah I'm starting to have doubts this will be a hurricane as it passes Maui. I think a good bet is a 40-50kt TS would landfall on Maui like the ensembles and the CMCshow, a 55-60kt tropical storm would hit Oahu or Kauai as the UK and Euro show. Anything greater than that will very likely miss the Islands completely, as the HWRF/HMON show. It's making some sense now.

SST's are warm near the islands though. It will come down to how fast the shear can kick in.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#362 Postby Bocadude85 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:20 am

Eyewall convection seems to be cooling, the EWRC must be nearing completion.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#363 Postby toad strangler » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:00 am

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#364 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:25 am

Getting to that point where every wobble and every deviation starts to count and will have big implications:
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Hurricane Douglas Discussion Number 21
NWS Central Pacific Hurricane Center Honolulu HI EP082020
500 AM HST Sat Jul 25 2020

The satellite presentation of Douglas has changed very little since
the previous advisory, with the eye remaining cloud filled
and difficult to locate with a high degree of certainty. The
latest current intensity estimates from the satellite agencies came
in at 5.0 (90 knots) from PHFO, 4.5 (77 knots) from JTWC and SAB,
while the ADT from UW-CIMSS was 4.6 (80 knots). Based on the
U.S. Air Force 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron mission
last evening finding maximum flight level winds of 108 knots (97
knots with appropriate wind reduction factor to the surface from the
700 mb flight level) and SFMR winds of 93 knots, we will
conservatively lower the initial intensity to 90 knots with this
advisory, but that may be generous. Douglas appears to have made a
subtle shift toward the west overnight, and the initial motion
for this advisory has been set at 290/16 knots.

The tropical cyclone will be going over the coolest sea
surface temperatures (SSTs) along its forecast track during the
next 12 to 18 hours before SSTs climb back to 26C or above. This
should result in continued weakening despite relatively low
vertical wind shear. Thereafter, the vertical wind shear slowly
becomes less conducive for intensification, while SSTs become less
hostile as they rise back to 26/27C or above. We expect that the
increasing wind shear will win the battle through the remainder of
the forecast track, and show slow and gradual weakening through 120
hours. The official intensity forecast has changed very little from
the previous advisory, and generally follows a blend of the
corrected consensus and statistical model guidance.

Douglas is forecast to continue to move off to the west-northwest
today toward a weakness in the sub-tropical ridge north of the
Hawaiian Islands, with a slight reduction in forward speed. The
subtropical ridge is forecast to strengthen north of the state
tonight through the remainder of the weekend and this should steer
the tropical cyclone slightly more westward, and over or very near
the Hawaiian Islands late tonight through Sunday night. Douglas is
then expected to exit to the west of the island chain early
next week. The official track forecast is virtually identical to the
previous advisory, and continues to hug the southern end of the
guidance envelope. This track is roughly in the middle of the
deterministic GFS/ECMWF solutions and the GFS/ECMWF ensemble
means, which is very close to the corrected consensus guidance HCCA.

Based on the latest intensity and track forecast, a Tropical Storm
Watch has been issued for Kauai County. Tropical Storm
Warnings remain in effect for Hawaii County and Maui County. A
Hurricane Watch remains in effect for Hawaii County, Maui County and
Oahu. Finally, a Tropical Storm Warning will likely be required
for Oahu later today.

Key Messages

1. Douglas continues to approach the main Hawaiian Islands,
potentially passing dangerously close to, or over, the islands
late tonight through Sunday night. The close passage of Douglas
brings a triple threat of hazards, including but not limited to
damaging winds, flooding rainfall, and dangerously high surf,
especially along east facing shores.

2. It is vital that you do not focus on the exact forecast track or
intensity of Douglas, and remain prepared for changes to the
forecast. Due to Douglas' angle of approach to the islands, any
small changes in the track could lead to significant differences in
where the worst weather occurs. Even if the center remains
offshore, severe impacts could still be realized over the islands,
as they extend well away from the center.

3. Terrain effects can cause strong localized acceleration of
the wind through gaps and where winds blow downslope. These
acceleration areas will shift with time as Douglas passes near the
islands. Winds will also be stronger at the upper floors of
high rise buildings.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 25/1500Z 19.1N 148.4W 90 KT 105 MPH
12H 26/0000Z 19.7N 150.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 26/1200Z 20.6N 153.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 27/0000Z 21.4N 156.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 27/1200Z 22.1N 159.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
60H 28/0000Z 22.7N 162.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
72H 28/1200Z 23.2N 166.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 29/1200Z 24.1N 172.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 30/1200Z 25.3N 179.2W 35 KT 40 MPH

$$
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#365 Postby euro6208 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:52 am

Good luck to all of our fellow islanders.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#366 Postby Highteeld » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:34 pm

approaching halficane status

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https://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/TCF ... kBeven.pdf

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#367 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:57 pm

Pretty resilient I must admit.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#368 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:17 pm

Winds in the SW quad seem to be the weakest. I'm not sure if the CPHC should pull the trigger on a hurricane warning for Oahu just yet.

But then you don't want another Iniki situation where hurricane warnings were issued with less than 24 hours before landfall.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#369 Postby NXStumpy_Robothing » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:21 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Winds in the SW quad seem to be the weakest. I'm not sure if the CPHC should pull the trigger on a hurricane warning for Oahu just yet.

But then you don't want another Iniki situation where hurricane warnings were issued with less than 24 hours before landfall.

With the recent trend south of the official track, I think it wouldn't be unheard of for them to pull the trigger and issue hurricane warnings regardless.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#370 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:33 pm

Our own Mark Sudduth (hurricaneTrack) with a morning update for Douglas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VswyqE_n-B4

Lot's of good insight.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#371 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:51 pm

Hurricane warning for Oahu. The last time there was a Hurricane warning for Oahu was for Lane 2018. Before that, it was Iniki 1992.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#372 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:07 pm

Hurricane Douglas Discussion Number 22
NWS Central Pacific Hurricane Center Honolulu HI EP082020
1100 AM HST Sat Jul 25 2020

The satellite presentation of Douglas is degrading somewhat, likely
due to restricted outflow to the south and 26C SSTs. The U.S. Air
Force 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron sampled the hurricane
this morning, and a blend of SFMR, flight level winds, and dropsonde
data from two passes supports decreasing the intensity to 80 kt with
a central pressure of 984 mb.

Douglas continues to move toward the west-northwest (290 deg) at 16
kt. Douglas is being steered by a low- to mid-level ridge to the
northeast and is nearing a weakness in the mid-level ridge. A
continued motion toward the west-northwest and a slight decrease in
forward motion will bring Douglas over or very near portions of the
main Hawaiian Islands on Sunday. On Monday, a mid-level ridge is
forecast to build to the north of Douglas, potentially inducing a
turn toward the west, with some increase in forward speed. The
updated forecast track is very close to the previous forecast and
lies close to the ECMWF toward the southern end of a rather tightly
clustered guidance envelope.

Weakening is expected through the forecast. Douglas will remain
over an area of 26C SST today, which is expected to continue the
gradual weakening trend. SSTs along the forecast track increase
tonight, at the same time that Douglas will move into an area of
increased vertical wind shear. This is expected to maintain a
weakening trend, although at a fairly slow rate. The official
intensity forecast has changed very little from the previous
advisory, and generally follows a blend of the corrected consensus
and statistical model guidance.

Based on the latest forecast, a Hurricane Warning has been issued
for Oahu. Tropical Storm Warnings remain in effect for Hawaii
County and Maui County. A Hurricane Watch remains in effect for
Hawaii County and Maui County, and a Tropical Storm Watch is in
effect for Kauai County.

Key Messages:

1. Douglas continues to approach the main Hawaiian Islands,
potentially passing dangerously close to, or over, the islands late
tonight through Sunday night. The close passage of Douglas brings a
triple threat of hazards, including but not limited to damaging
winds, flooding rainfall, and dangerously high surf, especially
along east facing shores.

2. It is vital that you do not focus on the exact forecast track or
intensity of Douglas. Due to Douglas' angle of approach to the
islands, any small changes in the track could lead to significant
differences in where the worst weather occurs. Even if the center
remains offshore, severe impacts could still be realized over the
islands, as they extend well away from the center.

3. Terrain effects can cause strong localized acceleration of the
wind through gaps and where winds blow downslope. These
acceleration
areas will shift with time as Douglas passes near the islands.
Hurricane force wind gusts are possible even within the tropical
storm warning area. Winds will also be stronger at the upper floors
of high rise buildings.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 25/2100Z 19.5N 150.1W 80 KT 90 MPH
12H 26/0600Z 20.1N 152.1W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 26/1800Z 21.0N 154.9W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 27/0600Z 21.8N 157.7W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 27/1800Z 22.5N 160.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
60H 28/0600Z 23.1N 163.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
72H 28/1800Z 23.7N 167.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 29/1800Z 24.5N 173.7W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 30/1800Z 25.8N 180.0E 35 KT 40 MPH

$$
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#373 Postby supercane4867 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:12 pm

Even if Douglas does make landfall on Oahu, the south shore of the island where most population is located should be fine. There could be some serious wind gusts on the other side Of mountain and higher up in elevations.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#374 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:17 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Even if Douglas does make landfall on Oahu, the south shore of the island where most population is located should be fine. There could be some serious wind gusts on the other side Of mountain and higher up in elevations.

Well Kahuku and Laie towns on the Oahu north shore have a huge problem with increasing sea level heights and erosion to the point that the highway that extends there is only a few feet away from the ocean. Also, Kailua and the windward side is home to very expensive homes and beach front properties. So while I think the population will do fine the property damage with this one could be pretty extensive. Also the topography of the islands and their volcanoes makes TC's do weird things. So with this coming as close as it will is very concerning. Let's hope the track shifts further north.

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#375 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:23 pm

ADT performing well so far since we have recon to compare.

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 25 JUL 2020 Time : 212031 UTC
Lat : 19:33:35 N Lon : 150:07:11 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.6 / 976.6mb/ 79.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.6 5.1 5.1

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 23 km

Center Temp : -2.8C Cloud Region Temp : -53.8C

Scene Type : EYE
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#376 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:31 pm

Compared to 3 days ago, the shear over Hawaii has really retreated.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#377 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:35 pm

Hawaii in range.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#378 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:59 pm

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#379 Postby TheStormExpert » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:07 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Hawaii in range.
https://i.imgur.com/viu5gjj.png

That’s a sight you would never see 10-20 years ago, a hurricane holding together heading for Hawaii from the due East. :eek:
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#380 Postby JtSmarts » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:17 pm

Praying for the safety for all our Hawaiian friends! For those of us stateside who want to keep up with the situation, Khon is already doing live streaming.

https://www.khon2.com/live-stream/
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