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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#381 Postby supercane4867 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:43 pm

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supercane4867 wrote:Even if Douglas does make landfall on Oahu, the south shore of the island where most population is located should be fine. There could be some serious wind gusts on the other side Of mountain and higher up in elevations.

Well Kahuku and Laie towns on the Oahu north shore have a huge problem with increasing sea level heights and erosion to the point that the highway that extends there is only a few feet away from the ocean. Also, Kailua and the windward side is home to very expensive homes and beach front properties. So while I think the population will do fine the property damage with this one could be pretty extensive. Also the topography of the islands and their volcanoes makes TC's do weird things. So with this coming as close as it will is very concerning. Let's hope the track shifts further north.

https://toolkit.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Erosion%20North%20Shore%20Oahu.jpg?itok=_TFRlx-a

I agree. Unless the Great Hawaiian Shear somehow magically come to the rescue or the hurricane deviates just enough to keep the eyewall offshore, the windward side of Oahu is in big trouble. Local residents there have never experienced hurricane conditions before.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#382 Postby supercane4867 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:49 pm

Douglas looks much more organized than Iselle at this location.

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#383 Postby Mauistorms » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:37 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Douglas looks much more organized than Iselle at this location.

https://i.imgur.com/Z7CkDOm.gif

It does appear to be maintaining and there appears to be a clear eye again toward the end of this clip. The news is reporting that the track has moved north and I'm seeing a lot of "false alarm" type posts on social media. Are we out of the woods on maui?
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#384 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:51 pm

Mauistorms wrote:
supercane4867 wrote:Douglas looks much more organized than Iselle at this location.

https://i.imgur.com/Z7CkDOm.gif

It does appear to be maintaining and there appears to be a clear eye again toward the end of this clip. The news is reporting that the track has moved north and I'm seeing a lot of "false alarm" type posts on social media. Are we out of the woods on maui?

Robert Ballard with the CPHC and the NWS in a livestream brought up the other model solutions that do bring this over Maui, similar to what weve been discussing in the models thread. I would prep if I were you and ignore the social media posts.

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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#385 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:03 pm

Downslope winds to the south of the center (counter-clockwise flow) can greatly magnify winds above the official intensity. That's another issue for the windward sides of the islands.

Recon is beginning its next flight.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#386 Postby Bocadude85 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:39 pm

Satellite presentation of Douglas seems to be improving, perhaps starting to feel the warmer SSTs before the shear kicks in?
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#387 Postby Chris90 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:34 am

Is this a rare case where we want recon to find a stronger storm because it'll then have a greater chance of missing the islands to the north? I'm not quite sure what the models were suggesting.

Also, if this makes landfall/gives one of the islands a direct strike from the eyewall at hurricane intensity, would this be the first time since Iniki that it's happened?

My thoughts are with all of you on the islands, I'm really hoping this is nothing more than a scare for all of you and it isn't a damaging event.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#388 Postby Bocadude85 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:41 am

Chris90 wrote:Is this a rare case where we want recon to find a stronger storm because it'll then have a greater chance of missing the islands to the north? I'm not quite sure what the models were suggesting.

Also, if this makes landfall/gives one of the islands a direct strike from the eyewall at hurricane intensity, would this be the first time since Iniki that it's happened?

My thoughts are with all of you on the islands, I'm really hoping this is nothing more than a scare for all of you and it isn't a damaging event.


If the eyewall does in fact cross over one of the islands then yes it would be the first since Iniki.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#389 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:42 am

Chris90 wrote:Is this a rare case where we want recon to find a stronger storm because it'll then have a greater chance of missing the islands to the north? I'm not quite sure what the models were suggesting.

Also, if this makes landfall/gives one of the islands a direct strike from the eyewall at hurricane intensity, would this be the first time since Iniki that it's happened?

My thoughts are with all of you on the islands, I'm really hoping this is nothing more than a scare for all of you and it isn't a damaging event.

Would be the first hurricane since Iniki but Iselle also managed to make landfall as a TS in 2014.

The models are confusing I thought a track to the north would be due to a stronger storm feeling the weakness more, but I think it's coming down the actual strength of the ridge. Or a mixture of both.

Appreciate the thoughts as always!
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#390 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:43 am

Recon found 60kts in the SW portion of the storm. The current tracks at the very least bring this portion over some of the islands. Concerning.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#391 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:45 am

Probably steady state right now based on Recon. Since the RFQ has not been sampled, 80 kt seems reasonable. Pressure likely 981.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#392 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:46 am

Kingarabian wrote:Recon found 60kts in the SW portion of the storm. The current tracks at the very least bring this portion over some of the islands. Concerning.


A Hurricane Warning will likely be needed for at least the Maui County islands if that holds up. A slight deviation would put the core in those islands.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#393 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:52 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Recon found 60kts in the SW portion of the storm. The current tracks at the very least bring this portion over some of the islands. Concerning.


A Hurricane Warning will likely be needed for at least the Maui County islands if that holds up. A slight deviation would put the core in those islands.

Agreed. Maybe a slight modification for a hurricane warning for Molokai at least.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#394 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:56 am

Kingarabian wrote:
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Kingarabian wrote:Recon found 60kts in the SW portion of the storm. The current tracks at the very least bring this portion over some of the islands. Concerning.


A Hurricane Warning will likely be needed for at least the Maui County islands if that holds up. A slight deviation would put the core in those islands.

Agreed. Maybe a slight modification for a hurricane warning for Molokai at least.


I don't think the CPHC can break things down that way since their breakpoint is for all of Maui County (which is Maui, Lanai, Molokai and Kahoolawe). The TS Warning/Hurricane Watch for the Big Island seems reasonable IMO.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#395 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:58 am

Looks like its about to cross the 26 degree isotherm with warmer waters ahead. Also, it looks really iffy that the shear is going to get there before Douglas does.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#396 Postby Chris90 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:18 am

NE eyewall dropsonde shows it's still pretty intense. 93kt average over the lowest 500m, and 88kts over the lowest 150m.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#397 Postby Mauistorms » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:51 am

How strong is the ridge looking? I can't seem to find a visual of how that is impacting the forcasted nudge to the west.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#398 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:57 am

Mauistorms wrote:How strong is the ridge looking? I can't seem to find a visual of how that is impacting the forcasted nudge to the west.

We can't tell how strong it is with our own eyes I believe, just the orientation. Usually in these cases, a synoptic plane (Gonzo) goes and samples the environment and sends that data to the models who in turn incorporate the results into their forecasts.
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#399 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:48 am

Kauai hurricane warning.

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Hurricane Douglas Discussion Number 24
NWS Central Pacific Hurricane Center Honolulu HI EP082020
1100 PM HST Sat Jul 25 2020

Hurricane Hunters from the Air Force 53rd Weather Reconnaissance
Squadron have been flying through and around the center of Douglas
through the evening, providing valuable ground truth. Latest data
support maintaining Douglas' initial intensity at 80 kt, with
maximum flight-level winds near 90 kt, SFMR winds as high as 78 kt,
and a central pressure near 983 mb. Worth noting that the data also
indicate that the low-level center is south of the center that is
seen in conventional satellite imagery. Recent microwave images
confirm that the cyclone is tilted to the north with height, due to
southerly vertical wind shear.

Despite the vertical wind shear, Douglas is expected to only slowly
weaken as it comes dangerously close to the Hawaiian Islands. This
is primarily due to steadily increasing SSTs along the forecast
track, and also likely due to the fact that most of the shear is in
the upper levels. While Douglas has rounded the southwestern edge
of a ridge aloft, leading to high-level southerly shear, a
mid-level ridge is expected to build westward to the north of
Douglas, likely allowing the low- to mid-level core of the cyclone
to remain intact. The updated intensity forecast closely follows
the consensus IVCN, and maintains Douglas as a hurricane as it
passes near Oahu and Kauai County.

The mid-level ridge will continue to drive Douglas toward the west-
northwest, with the current motion vector estimated to be 290/14
kt. The forecast track takes the center of Douglas dangerously close
to Oahu and Kauai on Sunday, with some of the guidance indicating a
slight jog toward the west Sunday evening near Oahu, necessitating
a Hurricane Warning for Kauai County. Douglas will potentially
impact parts of the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument on
Monday and Tuesday. The updated forecast track is very close to the
previous forecast, the track consensus TVCN, and is on the southern
side of most of the guidance. However the GFS and ECMWF ensemble
means are just left of the official forecast, suggesting a
potentially more impactful scenario for Kauai County and Oahu.


Key Messages

1. Douglas continues to approach the main Hawaiian Islands, and
will pass dangerously close to, or over, the islands Sunday. The
close passage of Douglas brings a triple threat of hazards,
including but not limited to damaging winds, flooding rainfall, and
dangerously high surf, especially along east facing shores.

2. It is vital that you do not focus on the exact forecast track or
intensity of Douglas. Due to Douglas' angle of approach to the
islands, any small changes in the track could lead to significant
differences in where the worst weather occurs. Even if the center
remains offshore, severe impacts could still be realized over the
islands, as they extend well away from the center.

3. Terrain effects can cause strong localized acceleration of the
wind through gaps and where winds blow downslope. These
acceleration areas will shift with time as Douglas passes near the
islands. Hurricane force wind gusts are possible even within the
tropical storm warning area. Winds will also be stronger at the
upper floors of high rise buildings.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 26/0900Z 20.4N 152.8W 80 KT 90 MPH
12H 26/1800Z 21.1N 155.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 27/0600Z 21.8N 157.9W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 27/1800Z 22.5N 160.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 28/0600Z 23.2N 163.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
60H 28/1800Z 23.6N 166.8W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 29/0600Z 24.0N 170.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 30/0600Z 24.0N 177.3W 35 KT 40 MPH
120H 31/0600Z 25.0N 175.0E 30 KT 35 MPH

$$
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Re: EPAC: DOUGLAS - Hurricane

#400 Postby Bocadude85 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:56 am

Shear seems to be on the increase, should be enough to knock Douglas down to 70-75mph by the time he reaches the islands.
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