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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3241 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:
ozonepete wrote:I'm amazed that no one, especially Stacy who is the best of the best, has mentioned all of the dry air just to the west and northwest of Isaias. That is a BIG impediment to strengthening if not a cause for weakening pretty soon,

https://i.imgur.com/lrQIzNx.jpg



I agree with you. Between the excessive dry air and shear, I don’t see this being anything but a tropical storm by the time it gets to Florida. The NHC is probably just being careful. It’s better to prepare for a minimal hurricane just in case


When has the NHC been anything but conservative with their forecasts?
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3242 Postby jlauderdal » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:41 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:This is an interesting take on track


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I get a straight line to Boca Raton.

But the Bermuda high is weakening, not getting stronger. What are the chances it can keep going in this beeline to Boca?

And, think of how very remote the possibility is of a west turn given the weather map today and this weekend.


https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesNBC6/sta ... 5086228483


So is he saying it stays off coast?


he is saying it isn't going south of boca, makes sense on his analysis
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3243 Postby chaser1 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:42 pm

jlauderdal wrote:This is an interesting take on track


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I get a straight line to Boca Raton.

But the Bermuda high is weakening, not getting stronger. What are the chances it can keep going in this beeline to Boca?

And, think of how very remote the possibility is of a west turn given the weather map today and this weekend.


https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesNBC6/sta ... 5086228483


So, we're only today analyzing 593 heights pushing into and north of the Bahamas. I'd like to ask Johnny which model he's looking at showing those 500mb heights just melt away. It doesn't appear to be the EURO..... So the problem with his straight line analogie is what happens if/when we cross that line and the ridge hasn't weakened or not enough to allow a north turn?
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3244 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:42 pm

NDG wrote:What shear? Is 2020.

https://i.imgur.com/mRj7l0m.jpg


Yeah shear appears to continue to decrease and SAL/dry air is being squeezed out.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3245 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:45 pm

caneseddy wrote:Interesting mention on Channel 10. They zoomed in on the cone and now downtown Miami is on the left side of the cone. Nothing big, but interesting because at 11:00 am the left side was just offshore Miami-Dade


Also the cone shrinks as it’s gets closer to, so it’s a bigger move than it seems.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3246 Postby fci » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:45 pm

chaser1 wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:its been trneding west and south

I’ll take Vero


I'm going boynton beach


I'll throw down. Hobe Sound


I’ll go with Hutchison Island since it is a known hurricane magnet (Frances and Jeanne)
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3247 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:45 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
NDG wrote:What shear? Is 2020.

https://i.imgur.com/mRj7l0m.jpg


Yeah shear appears to continue to decrease and SAL/dry air is being squeezed out.


The trough that has set up with ULL in the central Atlantic could help in evacuating any dry air that in ingests right now. That is a serious outflow channel.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3248 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:47 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:This is an interesting take on track


John Morales
@JohnMoralesNBC6


I get a straight line to Boca Raton.

But the Bermuda high is weakening, not getting stronger. What are the chances it can keep going in this beeline to Boca?

And, think of how very remote the possibility is of a west turn given the weather map today and this weekend.


https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesNBC6/sta ... 5086228483


So is he saying it stays off coast?


he is saying it isn't going south of boca, makes sense on his analysis


Makes complete sense. So no pass for us up in the treasure coast yet?
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3249 Postby shiny-pebble » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:48 pm

Eye looks just about ready to completely close on radar. Also looks like you can start to see it on visible

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3250 Postby NDG » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:48 pm

Eyewall almost closed.

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3251 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:50 pm

eye feature showing up on satellite..
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3252 Postby Extratropical94 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:50 pm

Extrapolated pressure down to 985
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3253 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:50 pm

My guess is recon will find 80 Knots
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3254 Postby NDG » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:51 pm

Pressure down to around 985mb.

214130 2223N 07552W 6425 03811 9990 +082 +053 315032 036 025 000 00
214200 2225N 07550W 6436 03797 9977 +089 +050 313038 040 040 000 03
214230 2227N 07549W 6420 03804 9955 +096 +052 323043 046 076 011 03
214300 2228N 07547W 6426 03790 9945 +098 +057 314049 052 050 006 00
214330 2230N 07546W 6430 03785 9950 +095 +055 302050 050 044 006 00
214400 2231N 07544W 6412 03807 9954 +088 +065 306044 046 050 012 00
214430 2233N 07543W 6436 03768 9954 +081 +080 304034 038 049 008 00
214500 2235N 07541W 6430 03760 9912 +099 +083 317033 034 047 004 00
214530 2236N 07540W 6425 03756 9881 +111 +077 309030 032 039 001 03
214600 2238N 07538W 6429 03736 9864 +113 +080 288024 026 026 000 00
214630 2240N 07537W 6422 03734 9851 +113 +085 265012 017 017 000 00
214700 2241N 07535W 6432 03720 9852 +110 +087 158015 022 027 000 00
214730 2243N 07533W 6438 03717 9870 +101 +092 142028 031 042 000 00
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3255 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:51 pm

985mb!

Flagged 76kt SFMR.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3256 Postby Beef Stew » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Currently speaking, Isaias is tracking towards Andros, and is forecasted to either strike or brush the island within the next 20 hours. If we take a quick dip into the climatology, a majority of hurricanes that strike Andros Island on approach from the general southeast direction go on to strike Florida as well.

In the HURDAT era, at least 5 hurricanes made landfall on Andros Island after approaching from the southeast, and continued on to strike Florida at hurricane intensity: 1891’s Hurricane 3, the 1926 Great Miami Hurricane, 1928’s Hurricane 1, 1945’s Hurricane 9, and 1979’s Hurricane David. At least two made landfall on Andros, but went on to miss FL: 1899’s Hurricane 3 (Hurricane San Ciriaco), and 1908’s Hurricane 6.

If we expand the list to hurricanes that came from the general southeast and passed within 60 nautical miles of the center of Andros, 4 additional hurricanes went on to strike FL: 1861’s Hurricane 2, 1903’s Hurricane 3, 1926’s Hurricane 1, and the 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane. Another 4 did not: 1866’s Hurricane 6 1883’s Hurricane 3, 1896’s Hurricane 2, and 2016’s Hurricane Matthew.

Another thing to note is that of all of the storms that ended up missing Florida following an Andros strike or brush, only two avoided a ConUS strike entirely: 1866’s Hurricane 6, and 1908’s Hurricane 6. The other hurricanes made additional landfalls as follows: 1883’s Hurricane 3 (NC), 1896’s Hurricane 2 (MA), 1899’s Hurricane 3 (Hurricane San Ciriaco) (NC), and 2016’s Matthew (SC).

Again, this is not a forecast but just the climo, and it’s possible I have missed some storms. However, should Isaias pass over or near Andros tomorrow as forecasted, it would put it with a grouping of storms that have gone on to frequently impact Florida and/or the US directly.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3257 Postby ColdMiser123 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:53 pm

SW side appears to be significantly stronger compared to the passes this morning, which is consistent with the radar data showing higher returns in that region compared to earlier.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3258 Postby tropicwatch » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:53 pm

Pretty significant pressure drop.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3259 Postby Weatherboy1 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:55 pm

Based on satellite over last few hours, not at all surprised by pressure drop. Think it keeps falling too...
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Hurricane - Discussion

#3260 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:55 pm

Another tower firing right near the center.
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