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#2321 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:38 pm

Convection over Africa is really not that impressive at the moment considering we are entering mid August soon. It probably is due to the dry phase of the MJO, but in some years like 2017, I remember very distinct and strong waves lining up over the continent around now. As we head deeper into August, let’s see if we start seeing more vigorous waves as we go up the climatological ramp up to the Cape Verde season which usually begins around Aug 15:

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#2322 Postby CyclonicFury » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:44 pm

gatorcane wrote:Convection over Africa is really not that impressive at the moment considering we are entering mid August soon. It probably is due to the dry phase of the MJO, but in some years like 2017, I remember very distinct and strong waves lining up over the continent around now. As we head deeper into August, let’s see if we start seeing more vigorous waves as we go up the climatological ramp up to the Cape Verde season which usually begins around Aug 15:

https://i.postimg.cc/cLwgt3WC/987662-B6-CD7-E-4-B40-A7-C8-6-A36818-A75-E5.png

The suppressed CCKW/MJO pulse is right over Africa and Sahel rainfall has been well above normal since May. We should see Africa really light up convectively in about 2 weeks.
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#2323 Postby tiger_deF » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:45 pm

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gatorcane wrote:Convection over Africa is really not that impressive at the moment considering we are entering mid August soon. It probably is due to the dry phase of the MJO, but in some years like 2017, I remember very distinct and strong waves lining up over the continent around now. As we head deeper into August, let’s see if we start seeing more vigorous waves as we go up the climatological ramp up to the Cape Verde season which usually begins around Aug 15:

https://i.postimg.cc/cLwgt3WC/987662-B6-CD7-E-4-B40-A7-C8-6-A36818-A75-E5.png

The suppressed CCKW/MJO pulse is right over Africa and Sahel rainfall has been well above normal since May. We should see Africa really light up convectively in about 2 weeks.


Agreed, also there has been a tendency for a few waves that later became systems to blossom over WA before heading into the Atlantic
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#2324 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:24 am

I’d believe these “Season Cancel” posts if it was September 9th and not only August 9th. As several have stated things can and will most likely change on a dime!
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#2325 Postby chaser1 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:59 am

TheStormExpert wrote:I’d believe these “Season Cancel” posts if it was September 9th and not only August 9th. As several have stated things can and will most likely change on a dime!


Could you be more specific or perhaps quote those several "season cancel" posts that you are referring to?
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#2326 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:05 am

Wet-phase of MJO over the EPAC but if the CFS is right should slide some into the Western Caribbean over the next week or two. That might enhance chances of development in the Western Caribbean but for now models insist activity will be on the EPAC side.

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#2327 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:50 am

It's coming back around pretty quickly

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#2328 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:09 pm

chaser1 wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:I’d believe these “Season Cancel” posts if it was September 9th and not only August 9th. As several have stated things can and will most likely change on a dime!


Could you be more specific or perhaps quote those several "season cancel" posts that you are referring to?

Look for yourself. I’m not going to call people out. :)
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#2329 Postby CyclonicFury » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:31 pm

It's important to remember the rarity of MDR hurricanes early in the season. I compiled a list of the date of first Atlantic hurricane (65+ kt) in the MDR (20-60W, 10-20N) in hyperactive (153+) Atlantic hurricane seasons since 1995:

1995 - August 11
1996 - July 7
1998 - August 25
1999 - August 22
2003 - August 30
2004 - August 15
2005 - September 19*
2010 - August 23
2017 - August 31

*Hurricane Emily became a hurricane at 11.6N, 60.2W on July 14 in 2005 but since it was west of 60W, I did not include it.

6 of the 9 hyperactive years did not have a MDR hurricane before August 20, though 8 of the 9 had at least one MDR hurricane before September 1.

It shouldn't be a surprise Gonzalo didn't reach hurricane strength - it failing to do so was likely not a sign of an unfavorable MDR, but rather a favorable enough MDR to allow a strong tropical storm to form so early. 95L isn't particularly likely to reach hurricane strength either, but even if it fails to develop, that is not necessarily a sign of a dead MDR at peak. The MDR doesn't really start to ramp up quickly for intense TCs until the last third of August.
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#2330 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:39 pm

ScottNAtlanta wrote:It's coming back around pretty quickly

[url]https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/MJO/diagram_40days_forecast_GEFS_member.gif[url]

Well that explains it.
I pay attention to the MJO a lot during the winter and spring, but I don't look at it enough hurricane season. That GFS MJO forecast makes sense in why the model is going crazy with activity for the EPAC
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#2331 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:40 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:It's important to remember the rarity of MDR hurricanes early in the season. I compiled a list of the date of first Atlantic hurricane (65+ kt) in the MDR (20-60W, 10-20N) in hyperactive (153+) Atlantic hurricane seasons since 1995:

1995 - August 11
1996 - July 7
1998 - August 25
1999 - August 22
2003 - August 30
2004 - August 15
2005 - September 19*
2010 - August 23
2017 - August 31

*Hurricane Emily became a hurricane at 11.6N, 60.2W on July 14 in 2005 but since it was west of 60W, I did not include it.

6 of the 9 hyperactive years did not have a MDR hurricane before August 20, though 8 of the 9 had at least one MDR hurricane before September 1.

It shouldn't be a surprise Gonzalo didn't reach hurricane strength - it failing to do so was likely not a sign of an unfavorable MDR, but rather a favorable enough MDR to allow a strong tropical storm to form so early. 95L isn't particularly likely to reach hurricane strength either, but even if it fails to develop, that is not necessarily a sign of a dead MDR at peak. The MDR doesn't really start to ramp up quickly for intense TCs until the last third of August.

Good points. A difference of about 5-10kts is all it was. But I think there's a compelling case that Gonzalo was a hurricane at some point.
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#2332 Postby KAlexPR » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:26 pm

I rounded up some comparisons of mid-level relative humidity (700 mb) for a couple of hurricane seasons using the same scale.

2005

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2010

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2013

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2020

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#2333 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:34 pm


How does this compare for the same timeframe for the last two seasons?
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#2334 Postby KAlexPR » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:54 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:How does this compare for the same timeframe for the last two seasons?


Surprisingly, mid-level relative humidity in 2019 was very high. Despite that, total activity was weaker than expected due to warmer subtropics and a cooler MDR. This caused instability to decrease some during the peak, creating a more hostile background state. This year is a different story, however, as the MDR is warmer relative to the subtropics, vertical wind shear is below average, MSLPs reached record low levels in July, and the MJO should be in a favorable phase promoting activity further.

2018 (7/24 - 8/07)

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2019 (7/24 - 8/07)

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2019 (8/24 - 9/07)

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#2335 Postby AveryTheComrade » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:03 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:The classic +AMO look is starting to quickly fade as warm SST anomalies are starting to pop up in the mid-latitude subtropical Atlantic. Wonder if this will put a damper on things in the Tropical Atlantic?

https://i.ibb.co/jM5c46r/A966825-C-BC86-421-C-A864-D0-BE4-B648033.gif

https://i.ibb.co/TkSqL9z/34-FBBB58-15-CF-46-A1-8613-3613-E8-E8-EB09.gif

https://i.ibb.co/D9pxvdV/catlssta.png


"The classic +AMO look is starting to quickly fade as warm SST anomalies are starting to pop up in the mid-latitude subtropical Atlantic. Wonder if this will put a damper on things in the Tropical Atlantic in 2005?"
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#2339 Postby SFLcane » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:42 pm

We have about 10 days folks before all he’ll breaks loose across the Atlantic. Did a quick comparison with the Sept 17 VP200 anomalies to the forecast pattern over the next six weeks. Very close match. Gonna to be bad! I hope everyone is ready
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#2340 Postby USTropics » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:52 pm

CFS has been very consistent with the VP anomaly propagation. That is some :eek: VP anomalies if that verifies starting next week (off the chart in fact - no wonder the globals are blowing up the Pacific next week). Look for action to pickup in the western Atlantic afterwards (~August 18th) and then propagate towards the MDR/eastern Atlantic towards the latter parts of August:

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