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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#241 Postby SouthFLTropics » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:03 am

06z HWRF ends like this... 978MB south of Hispaniola

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#242 Postby TallyTracker » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:06 am



Are commercial flights actually used to feed information into the Global Models?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#243 Postby SouthFLTropics » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:06 am

Meanwhile, 06z HMON loses it completely in the NE Caribbean.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#244 Postby Shell Mound » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:09 am

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Are commercial flights actually used to feed information into the Global Models?

I believe so. Personally, I suspect that statistical guidance, for once, may actually perform better than some of the global models this season.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#245 Postby SFLcane » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:09 am

06z Euro... still rolling

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#246 Postby SFLcane » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:11 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#247 Postby BobHarlem » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:12 am

The 6z TVCN rides it just north of the islands into the gulf, which jives with the strong ridge idea. That general trajectory is going to be a fire starter here on the model thread. But if it remains on the weaker side, which is what the Atlantic has been this year so far, it'll probably happen. GFS falls apart because it's just nonstop land interaction.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#248 Postby AutoPenalti » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:18 am

Shell Mound wrote:
TallyTracker wrote:


Are commercial flights actually used to feed information into the Global Models?

I believe so. Personally, I suspect that statistical guidance, for once, may actually perform better than some of the global models this season.

 https://twitter.com/bennollweather/status/1289057659866345474


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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#249 Postby tolakram » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:19 am

Looks like we have no idea what 98L will do. Models seem completely random at this point.

It's the Euro 0Z's turn to hit New Orleans. Remember when we could rely on the CMC to do this?
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The message here is the same though. There will be a disturbance of unknown strength moving in this general direction.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#250 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:20 am

AutoPenalti wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:
TallyTracker wrote:
Are commercial flights actually used to feed information into the Global Models?

I believe so. Personally, I suspect that statistical guidance, for once, may actually perform better than some of the global models this season.

https://twitter.com/bennollweather/status/1289057659866345474?s=21


Posted this a few days ago. It just get's ignored, or nobody follows Ben Noll at all. I dunno.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#251 Postby tolakram » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:23 am

toad strangler wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:I believe so. Personally, I suspect that statistical guidance, for once, may actually perform better than some of the global models this season.

https://twitter.com/bennollweather/status/1289057659866345474?s=21


Posted this a few days ago. It just get's ignored, or nobody follows Ben Noll at all. I dunno.


I don't like one word answers, no matter who it comes from.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#252 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:24 am

tolakram wrote:
toad strangler wrote:


Posted this a few days ago. It just get's ignored, or nobody follows Ben Noll at all. I dunno.


I don't like one word answers, no matter who it comes from.


It's twitter :lol:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#253 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:26 am

I'd say this thread is worth a read:
 https://twitter.com/JackSillin/status/1295691645065863172


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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#254 Postby AutoPenalti » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:26 am

tolakram wrote:
toad strangler wrote:


Posted this a few days ago. It just get's ignored, or nobody follows Ben Noll at all. I dunno.


I don't like one word answers, no matter who it comes from.

He seems to be the only one that can answer that question though. Or rather was just asked that question. I wonder if Levi can provide some input.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#255 Postby tolakram » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:32 am

I think we need to be careful with the tweets. I don't know the qualifications of some of these people. I follow Noll, I see what his twitter page says, but I'm not sure if he has any solid evidence of why models are under-performing. Honestly I'm not even sure they are, other than the GFS. The euro has never been good with early developing storms, we usually look at ensembles or the general tracks, ignoring intensity.

If we look at the GFS and the CMC (and UKMET) then we see a disturbance moving in that general direction, so we keep an eye on it, ignoring intensity.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#256 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:36 am

tolakram wrote:
If we look at the GFS and the CMC (and UKMET) then we see a disturbance moving in that general direction, so we keep an eye on it, ignoring intensity.


This is exactly the forecast I offered up '57 when he asked for one just earlier. Keep an eye on it until IF or WHEN genesis happens.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#257 Postby USTropics » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:40 am

I can't speak on behalf of the other models, but there was an excellent article in March provided by the ECMWF on how aviation data is used and how it has affected model output.

https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-ce ... -forecasts
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#258 Postby SFLcane » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:40 am

00z UKMET heading W-WNW

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#259 Postby FixySLN » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:45 am

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:I'd say this thread is worth a read:
https://twitter.com/JackSillin/status/1295691645065863172


Ehhh, it's no different than one of us tweeting our THOUGHTS on the system. I'm sure he means well.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#260 Postby SFLcane » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 am

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