ATL: LAURA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5261 Postby p1nheadlarry » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:50 am

Kingarabian wrote:
NDG wrote:
Hayabusa wrote:
Maximum Potential Intensity
https://i.imgur.com/dy5tHjY.png


30C SSTs all the way to the coast is more than enough to maintain its strengthening even if it was to be shallow warm waters, is moving fast enough.

And all those "Marco's cold wake may affect Laura" comments on social media don't look too good right now. The GOM waters are something else.


Yea, sometimes we forget that cold pools are departures from normal, which are still warm enough to support TCs. Also it's important to look at SSH gradient instead of temperature sometimes of these eddies; for example cyclonic eddies raise the thermocline, but displace it downwards as the PV tendency decreases downstream similar to the tropopause in the atmosphere; the reverse is true for anticyclonic eddies.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5262 Postby Hammy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:51 am

Laura's now the first major hurricane of the season

7:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 26.4°N 91.4°W
Moving: NW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 963 mb
Max sustained: 115 mph
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5263 Postby NotoSans » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:51 am

Intermediate advisory up to 100kt/963mb.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5264 Postby GCANE » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:51 am

Successive eye drops from both planes shows relative humidity quickly dropping at 700mb.
Rapid warm core build up / strengthening.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5265 Postby Buck » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:52 am

...POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC STORM SURGE, EXTREME WINDS, AND FLASH FLOODING EXPECTED ALONG THE NORTHWEST GULF COAST TONIGHT... ...STEPS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS...
7:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 26.4°N 91.4°W
Moving: NW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 963 mb
Max sustained: 115 mph
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5266 Postby jconsor » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:53 am

Some important clarification and context re: NHC storm surge forecast for Port Arthur/Beaumont area:

 https://twitter.com/yconsor/status/1298588495859130369


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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5267 Postby wx98 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:53 am

Pressure is tanking:
7:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 26.4°N 91.4°W
Moving: NW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 963 mb
Max sustained: 115 mph
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5268 Postby Do_For_Love » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:56 am

Well when I went to bed last night, Laura was dropping at 2 mb/hr and I extrapolated that out to mean she would be at about 960 mb at the 8 AM advisory. I know it didn't happen in a linear fashion, but it was pretty much on the money. Doesn't make this situation any less horrifying especially with the rapid deepening currently occurring.

FWIW, 2 mb/hr would take her to 2x12=24, 963-24=939 by 8 PM tonight, which doesn't seem too far off from some of the models. Truly a dangerous and soon to be devastating storm.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5269 Postby Hammy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:56 am

wx98 wrote:Pressure is tanking:
7:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 26
Location: 26.4°N 91.4°W
Moving: NW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 963 mb
Max sustained: 115 mph


That's 3+ mb drop per hour :eek:
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5270 Postby USTropics » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:57 am

Pressure drops using advisories since 4PM yesterday:

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04PM - 990 MB
07PM - 983 MB
10PM - 978 MB
01AM - 978 MB
04AM - 973 MB
07AM - 963 MB
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5271 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:59 am

On the slim chance this landfalls as a Cat 5 it would completely obliterate the shortest interval between Cat 5 landfalls on the Lower 48 by about 20 years. While it is probably on the lower end of the probability side of things it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. This is 2020 afterall.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5272 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:00 am

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5273 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:01 am

I slept for a few hours and this thing is a beast already

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5274 Postby BRweather » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:01 am

Looks like we are seeing a north wobble right now.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5275 Postby GCANE » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:02 am

On approach.
GFS has 11 knots of shear. Nearly saturated troposphere.
Only thing holding Laura back would be maybe CIN over land since this is at night.
Very likely a high-end cat 4, wide TC with wrapping helicity.
About the worst-case scenario I can think of.
Prayers, thoughts, best wishes to anyone in the path of this beast.

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5276 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:03 am

USTropics wrote:Pressure drops using advisories since 4PM yesterday:

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04PM - 990 MB
07PM - 983 MB
10PM - 978 MB
01AM - 978 MB
04AM - 973 MB
07AM - 963 MB


....that last one there at 10mb in 3 hours.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5277 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:04 am

AVN loop:
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5278 Postby Do_For_Love » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:04 am

I hope I don't have to eat these words, but I don't think Laura will get to a 5...I still think most likely she will likely make it to 4 and then either maintain that or slightly weaken to a 3. Honestly though, it probably doesn't matter that much in terms of impacts. The area that gets hit is gonna be changed forever as a result.

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5279 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:05 am

AF plane getting ready for a SW-NE pass as well.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Hurricane - Discussion

#5280 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:05 am

HurricaneEnzo wrote:On the slim chance this landfalls as a Cat 5 it would completely obliterate the shortest interval between Cat 5 landfalls on the Lower 48 by about 20 years. While it is probably on the lower end of the probability side of things it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. This is 2020 after all.

Actually, at this time I believe Cat-5 status is not only quite feasible, but also doable at the time of landfall, given shear will likely increase only afterward. The ECMWF/GFS are likely overestimating VWS prior to landfall, given that they have been consistently underestimating the meridional ridging. The only thing that could prevent a Cat-5 landfall at this time is the potential for an EWRC, and the current forward speed means an EWRC is less likely to occur in time, given that some models have been too slow with the progression of Laura, which makes sense in light of the stronger-than-expected ridging. (If Laura were to make landfall in LA as a Cat-5, it would be the first such impact on record, given that Camille technically did not make landfall in LA, but remained just offshore near the MS River Delta.)
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